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A cpr jet first officer tells of the lack of response from his captain during attempts at CRM so as to follow the mandates of an altitude crossing restr near orl, fl.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 457210 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199912 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 5200 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : mco.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : intermediate altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 7200 flight time type : 500 |
| ASRS Report | 457210 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were descending from FL240 to 9000 ft and approximately 20-30 mi from our next fix. We were told to cross the fix at 6000 ft. This restr would have been no problem had the captain planned the descent. I suggested several options. Told him time, distance, descent rate. Asked if he wanted speed brakes. Suggested we better 'get down.' no, or very little, attention was given to these suggestions. At approximately 12 mi and 2 mins to the fix, we were asked to cross at 4000 ft. This still would have been no problem with the use of speed brakes and now we were descending through 10000 ft and needed to slow to 250 KTS. Again, this should have been no problem had the descent been initiated and planned appropriately. We were still going 290 KTS through 8000 ft and 1 min from the fix. Prior to this and during this, I repeated my suggestions and advisories with little or no response taken. We crossed the fix at 5200 ft. Our aircraft is equipped with TCASII and I was closely monitoring it for traffic. No comment was made by ATC. Cause: many times the pilot in the right seat is given less than adequate credit for ability and knowledge even though he may be as qualified or more so than the pilot in the left seat.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CPR JET FO TELLS OF THE LACK OF RESPONSE FROM HIS CAPT DURING ATTEMPTS AT CRM SO AS TO FOLLOW THE MANDATES OF AN ALT XING RESTR NEAR ORL, FL.
Narrative: WE WERE DSNDING FROM FL240 TO 9000 FT AND APPROX 20-30 MI FROM OUR NEXT FIX. WE WERE TOLD TO CROSS THE FIX AT 6000 FT. THIS RESTR WOULD HAVE BEEN NO PROB HAD THE CAPT PLANNED THE DSCNT. I SUGGESTED SEVERAL OPTIONS. TOLD HIM TIME, DISTANCE, DSCNT RATE. ASKED IF HE WANTED SPD BRAKES. SUGGESTED WE BETTER 'GET DOWN.' NO, OR VERY LITTLE, ATTN WAS GIVEN TO THESE SUGGESTIONS. AT APPROX 12 MI AND 2 MINS TO THE FIX, WE WERE ASKED TO CROSS AT 4000 FT. THIS STILL WOULD HAVE BEEN NO PROB WITH THE USE OF SPD BRAKES AND NOW WE WERE DSNDING THROUGH 10000 FT AND NEEDED TO SLOW TO 250 KTS. AGAIN, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN NO PROB HAD THE DSCNT BEEN INITIATED AND PLANNED APPROPRIATELY. WE WERE STILL GOING 290 KTS THROUGH 8000 FT AND 1 MIN FROM THE FIX. PRIOR TO THIS AND DURING THIS, I REPEATED MY SUGGESTIONS AND ADVISORIES WITH LITTLE OR NO RESPONSE TAKEN. WE CROSSED THE FIX AT 5200 FT. OUR ACFT IS EQUIPPED WITH TCASII AND I WAS CLOSELY MONITORING IT FOR TFC. NO COMMENT WAS MADE BY ATC. CAUSE: MANY TIMES THE PLT IN THE R SEAT IS GIVEN LESS THAN ADEQUATE CREDIT FOR ABILITY AND KNOWLEDGE EVEN THOUGH HE MAY BE AS QUALIFIED OR MORE SO THAN THE PLT IN THE L SEAT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.