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Attributes | |
ACN | 457251 |
Time | |
Date | 199912 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sjc.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sjc.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 457251 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment : msaw aircraft equipment : gpws |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert flight crew : took evasive action |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Situations | |
Chart | airport : sjc.airport approach : fairgrounds visual |
Narrative:
The approach controller asked us if we had the airport (san jose) in sight. I told him 'yes' and he cleared us for a fairgrounds visual to runway 30L. We then descended to 5000 ft, the recommended altitude on downwind for the fairgrounds visual. Prior to entering the terminal area I told the first officer to load the sjc 170 degree radial 11 mi fix into the FMS. I told the first officer to turn right to overfly the (sjc/170/11). It took a heading of about 130 degrees. This was a big mistake. As we started the left turn to the base leg we also started a descent to 2500 ft, the recommended base leg altitude on the fairgrounds visual. Shortly after starting the turn I told the first officer to tighten up the turn because it looked to me like we were in an area of high terrain. Sure enough, shortly after I said that we received a GPWS alert 'too low -- terrain.' the first officer immediately performed the GPWS escape maneuver. Shortly after the GPWS alert the tower told us they had received an altitude alert on us. We climbed from 3500 ft to 4500 ft and the rest of the approach was uneventful. When the GPWS alert sounded we were 13 DME from the sjc VOR at 3500 ft. The fairgrounds visual to runway 30L is a dangerous procedure, especially at night. There is no way this procedure should be authority/authorized at night. On the night we flew this procedure there was no moonlight whatsoever and we could not see any of the points depicted on the approach plate. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter attempted to measure the depicted base turning point distance utilizing the approach plate scale. It is uncertain if the depicted point was intended to represent an actual distance or not, however. It may be misinterpreted as such by users of this approach.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN AIRBUS FLC RECEIVED A GPWS 'TERRAIN' WARNING, AND A TWR ISSUED ALT ALERT, ON A VISUAL APCH TO SJC.
Narrative: THE APCH CTLR ASKED US IF WE HAD THE ARPT (SAN JOSE) IN SIGHT. I TOLD HIM 'YES' AND HE CLRED US FOR A FAIRGROUNDS VISUAL TO RWY 30L. WE THEN DSNDED TO 5000 FT, THE RECOMMENDED ALT ON DOWNWIND FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS VISUAL. PRIOR TO ENTERING THE TERMINAL AREA I TOLD THE FO TO LOAD THE SJC 170 DEG RADIAL 11 MI FIX INTO THE FMS. I TOLD THE FO TO TURN R TO OVERFLY THE (SJC/170/11). IT TOOK A HEADING OF ABOUT 130 DEGS. THIS WAS A BIG MISTAKE. AS WE STARTED THE L TURN TO THE BASE LEG WE ALSO STARTED A DSCNT TO 2500 FT, THE RECOMMENDED BASE LEG ALT ON THE FAIRGROUNDS VISUAL. SHORTLY AFTER STARTING THE TURN I TOLD THE FO TO TIGHTEN UP THE TURN BECAUSE IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE WE WERE IN AN AREA OF HIGH TERRAIN. SURE ENOUGH, SHORTLY AFTER I SAID THAT WE RECEIVED A GPWS ALERT 'TOO LOW -- TERRAIN.' THE FO IMMEDIATELY PERFORMED THE GPWS ESCAPE MANEUVER. SHORTLY AFTER THE GPWS ALERT THE TWR TOLD US THEY HAD RECEIVED AN ALT ALERT ON US. WE CLBED FROM 3500 FT TO 4500 FT AND THE REST OF THE APCH WAS UNEVENTFUL. WHEN THE GPWS ALERT SOUNDED WE WERE 13 DME FROM THE SJC VOR AT 3500 FT. THE FAIRGROUNDS VISUAL TO RWY 30L IS A DANGEROUS PROC, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT. THERE IS NO WAY THIS PROC SHOULD BE AUTH AT NIGHT. ON THE NIGHT WE FLEW THIS PROC THERE WAS NO MOONLIGHT WHATSOEVER AND WE COULD NOT SEE ANY OF THE POINTS DEPICTED ON THE APCH PLATE. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR ATTEMPTED TO MEASURE THE DEPICTED BASE TURNING POINT DISTANCE UTILIZING THE APCH PLATE SCALE. IT IS UNCERTAIN IF THE DEPICTED POINT WAS INTENDED TO REPRESENT AN ACTUAL DISTANCE OR NOT, HOWEVER. IT MAY BE MISINTERPRETED AS SUCH BY USERS OF THIS APCH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.