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Attributes | |
ACN | 457736 |
Time | |
Date | 199912 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 15000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : missed approach |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
ASRS Report | 457736 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance ATC Facility |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
On initial contact with miq control on 128.5, controller requested confirmation of route and altitude after initial transmission stated as such. Asked for flight level 3 times. Cleared direct romex upon request from us. Miq approach control on 120.1 requested speed reduction initially to 210 KTS then to 200 KTS. After various vectors controller cleared us to 3000 ft, initial approach altitude is 5000 ft outside romex, 4000 ft inside romex. Did not accept clearance. Requested leveloff at 4000 ft. Controller vectored us inside FAF. ILS did not identify, loud squeal only. Other aircraft shooting approachs successfully. ATC advised ILS in service. GS intercepted prior to localizer, still inside FAF. Maintained 4000 ft with GS disappearing below and localizer not intercepted. Abandoned approach. Requested vector outside FAF. Controller once again vectored us inside FAF. Unable to communicate due to frequency congestion. Turned to a heading via map display just outside FAF at 4000 ft. Completed second approach with no problem. Note: IFR conditions until approximately 1500 ft. Not the first time ATC has cleared us to lower altitudes than published. Ccs has been a dangerous operation in my past experience. Language difficulties major problem if normal script not followed.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR CLRED BELOW PUBLISHED MINIMUM ALT AND VECTORED SO AS TO BE UNABLE TO INTERCEPT FINAL APCH COURSE BEFORE LOSING THE GS INSIDE THE FAF.
Narrative: ON INITIAL CONTACT WITH MIQ CTL ON 128.5, CTLR REQUESTED CONFIRMATION OF RTE AND ALT AFTER INITIAL XMISSION STATED AS SUCH. ASKED FOR FLT LEVEL 3 TIMES. CLRED DIRECT ROMEX UPON REQUEST FROM US. MIQ APCH CTL ON 120.1 REQUESTED SPD REDUCTION INITIALLY TO 210 KTS THEN TO 200 KTS. AFTER VARIOUS VECTORS CTLR CLRED US TO 3000 FT, INITIAL APCH ALT IS 5000 FT OUTSIDE ROMEX, 4000 FT INSIDE ROMEX. DID NOT ACCEPT CLRNC. REQUESTED LEVELOFF AT 4000 FT. CTLR VECTORED US INSIDE FAF. ILS DID NOT IDENT, LOUD SQUEAL ONLY. OTHER ACFT SHOOTING APCHS SUCCESSFULLY. ATC ADVISED ILS IN SVC. GS INTERCEPTED PRIOR TO LOC, STILL INSIDE FAF. MAINTAINED 4000 FT WITH GS DISAPPEARING BELOW AND LOC NOT INTERCEPTED. ABANDONED APCH. REQUESTED VECTOR OUTSIDE FAF. CTLR ONCE AGAIN VECTORED US INSIDE FAF. UNABLE TO COMMUNICATE DUE TO FREQ CONGESTION. TURNED TO A HDG VIA MAP DISPLAY JUST OUTSIDE FAF AT 4000 FT. COMPLETED SECOND APCH WITH NO PROB. NOTE: IFR CONDITIONS UNTIL APPROX 1500 FT. NOT THE FIRST TIME ATC HAS CLRED US TO LOWER ALTS THAN PUBLISHED. CCS HAS BEEN A DANGEROUS OP IN MY PAST EXPERIENCE. LANGUAGE DIFFICULTIES MAJOR PROB IF NORMAL SCRIPT NOT FOLLOWED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.