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Attributes | |
ACN | 460220 |
Time | |
Date | 200001 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : stc.airport |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1800 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Champion Citabria 7ECA |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure : vfr |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Saab-Scania Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR Combined VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 3100 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 460220 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I was on a cross country with my student. We were departing stc on runway 5. We listened to 122.7, the unicom frequency, and saw and heard a katana depart runway 5 and head southeast. A cessna departed runway 5 and headed northwest. A navajo called from 14 mi southeast inbound. We were next so we announced citabria aircraft X departing runway 5 eastbound. We took off on runway 5. We heard the navajo call for position of the cessna and then he came back and said he had us as we lifted off runway 5. The navajo was on downwind for runway 5 at this time, and we had him in sight. We proceeded outbound climbing when we spotted the aircraft Y coming from the southeast. We turned right and stopped climbing. The aircraft Y passed off our left front at about 200 ft above and 1/3 - 1/2 mi nwbound. The first we heard from him was after he had passed and he announced left base. I proceeded to forest lake, mn (25D). About 5 mi out, I called 25D and announced 5 mi west landing forest lake. At this time we got a call from aircraft Y asking if we had left st cloud earlier. I acknowledged, and he berated me for not calling our departure at st cloud and that we had just about run into him. This is not true. We had heard the other 3 planes in st cloud so we know we were on the right frequency and this frequency was still in the radio when I reached forest lake, which is the same 122.7. I remember my student calling departing runway 5 departing to the east at st cloud. She had stumbled over runway 5 coming in and I had told her it was easier to use 'zero five' and clrer to everyone. When she used it departing, I was pleased. We never heard a call from aircraft Y and I doubt he saw us as he did not turn to avoid us as we did to avoid him.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT IN A CITABRIA DEPARTED STC, A NON CTLED ARPT, AND WERE LATER BERATED BY AN ACR PLT FOR NOT ANNOUNCING THEIR DEP OFF STC.
Narrative: I WAS ON A XCOUNTRY WITH MY STUDENT. WE WERE DEPARTING STC ON RWY 5. WE LISTENED TO 122.7, THE UNICOM FREQ, AND SAW AND HEARD A KATANA DEPART RWY 5 AND HEAD SE. A CESSNA DEPARTED RWY 5 AND HEADED NW. A NAVAJO CALLED FROM 14 MI SE INBOUND. WE WERE NEXT SO WE ANNOUNCED CITABRIA ACFT X DEPARTING RWY 5 EBOUND. WE TOOK OFF ON RWY 5. WE HEARD THE NAVAJO CALL FOR POS OF THE CESSNA AND THEN HE CAME BACK AND SAID HE HAD US AS WE LIFTED OFF RWY 5. THE NAVAJO WAS ON DOWNWIND FOR RWY 5 AT THIS TIME, AND WE HAD HIM IN SIGHT. WE PROCEEDED OUTBOUND CLBING WHEN WE SPOTTED THE ACFT Y COMING FROM THE SE. WE TURNED R AND STOPPED CLBING. THE ACFT Y PASSED OFF OUR L FRONT AT ABOUT 200 FT ABOVE AND 1/3 - 1/2 MI NWBOUND. THE FIRST WE HEARD FROM HIM WAS AFTER HE HAD PASSED AND HE ANNOUNCED L BASE. I PROCEEDED TO FOREST LAKE, MN (25D). ABOUT 5 MI OUT, I CALLED 25D AND ANNOUNCED 5 MI W LNDG FOREST LAKE. AT THIS TIME WE GOT A CALL FROM ACFT Y ASKING IF WE HAD LEFT ST CLOUD EARLIER. I ACKNOWLEDGED, AND HE BERATED ME FOR NOT CALLING OUR DEP AT ST CLOUD AND THAT WE HAD JUST ABOUT RUN INTO HIM. THIS IS NOT TRUE. WE HAD HEARD THE OTHER 3 PLANES IN ST CLOUD SO WE KNOW WE WERE ON THE RIGHT FREQ AND THIS FREQ WAS STILL IN THE RADIO WHEN I REACHED FOREST LAKE, WHICH IS THE SAME 122.7. I REMEMBER MY STUDENT CALLING DEPARTING RWY 5 DEPARTING TO THE E AT ST CLOUD. SHE HAD STUMBLED OVER RWY 5 COMING IN AND I HAD TOLD HER IT WAS EASIER TO USE 'ZERO FIVE' AND CLRER TO EVERYONE. WHEN SHE USED IT DEPARTING, I WAS PLEASED. WE NEVER HEARD A CALL FROM ACFT Y AND I DOUBT HE SAW US AS HE DID NOT TURN TO AVOID US AS WE DID TO AVOID HIM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.