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Attributes | |
ACN | 460410 |
Time | |
Date | 200001 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 8500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision arrival star : mitts one |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 25l |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | approach : straight in approach : instrument precision arrival star : civet |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 460410 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment : conflict alert aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : separated traffic controller : issued new clearance flight crew : became reoriented flight crew : overrode automation |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Environmental Factor Airspace Structure Airport ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Airspace Structure |
Narrative:
Just outside of civet intersection, approach changed flight to mitts 2 arrival and runway 24R. We had previously been cleared on civet approach to runway 25L. We were flying on autoplt and told of traffic on approach to runway 25L. Aircraft was in sight at all times. I took aircraft off autoplt to hand fly the approach due to difficulty in identing the appropriate fixes (ILS/DME) and we transitioned to raw data. We received a 15 degree turn to the right from approach due to conflicting traffic and just at this point received an RA on TCASII. This was followed (climb RA) and the right turn as advised provided adequate separation from aircraft ahead and to our left. The late change of the arrival procedure was partially responsible for the confusion, but I should have anticipated a change and been using raw data as a back-up much earlier. There was also some confusion as to our descent clearance. We were not sure if we were cleared to descend via the arrival. In addition, we were caught high and fast, especially between snrkl and jonzz. I will anticipate these changes and have raw data available for these approachs next time rather than relying on FMS data and autoplt for these approachs from now on.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B767 PIC RPT ON RWY CHANGES IN LAX AND THE CONFUSION IN APCH CLRNCS THAT CREATED A POTENTIAL CONFLICT DURING A CHANGED APCH TO RWY 24R AT LAX, CA.
Narrative: JUST OUTSIDE OF CIVET INTXN, APCH CHANGED FLT TO MITTS 2 ARR AND RWY 24R. WE HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN CLRED ON CIVET APCH TO RWY 25L. WE WERE FLYING ON AUTOPLT AND TOLD OF TFC ON APCH TO RWY 25L. ACFT WAS IN SIGHT AT ALL TIMES. I TOOK ACFT OFF AUTOPLT TO HAND FLY THE APCH DUE TO DIFFICULTY IN IDENTING THE APPROPRIATE FIXES (ILS/DME) AND WE TRANSITIONED TO RAW DATA. WE RECEIVED A 15 DEG TURN TO THE R FROM APCH DUE TO CONFLICTING TFC AND JUST AT THIS POINT RECEIVED AN RA ON TCASII. THIS WAS FOLLOWED (CLB RA) AND THE R TURN AS ADVISED PROVIDED ADEQUATE SEPARATION FROM ACFT AHEAD AND TO OUR L. THE LATE CHANGE OF THE ARR PROC WAS PARTIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONFUSION, BUT I SHOULD HAVE ANTICIPATED A CHANGE AND BEEN USING RAW DATA AS A BACK-UP MUCH EARLIER. THERE WAS ALSO SOME CONFUSION AS TO OUR DSCNT CLRNC. WE WERE NOT SURE IF WE WERE CLRED TO DSND VIA THE ARR. IN ADDITION, WE WERE CAUGHT HIGH AND FAST, ESPECIALLY BTWN SNRKL AND JONZZ. I WILL ANTICIPATE THESE CHANGES AND HAVE RAW DATA AVAILABLE FOR THESE APCHS NEXT TIME RATHER THAN RELYING ON FMS DATA AND AUTOPLT FOR THESE APCHS FROM NOW ON.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.