<< >> NASA ASRS Report 462114, February 2000

Controller questions whether there is enough space to hold aircraft X on taxiway between the ends of runway 2 and runway 5, after aircraft Y had departed on runway 2.

Attributes
ACN	462114
Time
Date	200002
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
State Reference	HI
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Make Model Name	DC-3/Dakota/Skytrain
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	landing : hold short
Flight Plan	VFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B737-200
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	climbout : takeoff
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	government : faa
Function	controller : local
Qualification	controller : non radar
Experience	controller limited radar : 1 controller radar : 4 controller time certified in position1 : 1 flight time total : 14
ASRS Report	462114
Person 2
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Airport ATC Facility ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	Airport

Narrative:

Runway 2 and runway 5 intersect within the last 1000 ft of each. The DC3 (aircraft X) landed and was followed in trail by another aircraft -- a twin cessna (aircraft Z) both for runway 5. I instructed the landing DC3 to turn at the end and hold short of runway 2 because I departed a B737 (aircraft Y) between the 2 landing aircraft. The B737 departed runway 2. The taxiway between the ends of runway 2 and runway 5 is so short that there is no room for an aircraft to hold short of both runways and still be clear of the hold short lines. I knew there was room for the DC3 to taxi off and be clear of both runways. So I was not worried that the operation was unsafe. But, I realized afterwards that I use that small taxiway so infrequently, that I did not recall in a timely manner that it does not have any room to hold short of both runways.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CTLR QUESTIONS WHETHER THERE IS ENOUGH SPACE TO HOLD ACFT X ON TXWY BTWN THE ENDS OF RWY 2 AND RWY 5, AFTER ACFT Y HAD DEPARTED ON RWY 2.

Narrative: RWY 2 AND RWY 5 INTERSECT WITHIN THE LAST 1000 FT OF EACH. THE DC3 (ACFT X) LANDED AND WAS FOLLOWED IN TRAIL BY ANOTHER ACFT -- A TWIN CESSNA (ACFT Z) BOTH FOR RWY 5. I INSTRUCTED THE LNDG DC3 TO TURN AT THE END AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 2 BECAUSE I DEPARTED A B737 (ACFT Y) BTWN THE 2 LNDG ACFT. THE B737 DEPARTED RWY 2. THE TXWY BTWN THE ENDS OF RWY 2 AND RWY 5 IS SO SHORT THAT THERE IS NO ROOM FOR AN ACFT TO HOLD SHORT OF BOTH RWYS AND STILL BE CLR OF THE HOLD SHORT LINES. I KNEW THERE WAS ROOM FOR THE DC3 TO TAXI OFF AND BE CLR OF BOTH RWYS. SO I WAS NOT WORRIED THAT THE OP WAS UNSAFE. BUT, I REALIZED AFTERWARDS THAT I USE THAT SMALL TXWY SO INFREQUENTLY, THAT I DID NOT RECALL IN A TIMELY MANNER THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY ROOM TO HOLD SHORT OF BOTH RWYS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.