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Cpr pilot has TCASII RA below the atl class B while under TRACON control. Controller attitude was a factor after avoidance action was taken. A recurring event.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 463142 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200002 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : fty.airport |
| State Reference | GA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 4600 msl bound upper : 5000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | IAI1125 (Astra) |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl.tracon |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 4600 flight time type : 400 |
| ASRS Report | 463142 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew faa : investigated |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 unspecified : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance ATC Facility |
| Primary Problem | ATC Facility |
Narrative:
Upon departure from runway 8 at fty we were assigned 3100 ft and 010 degree heading. We were then assigned 5000 ft and a 'left turn 150 degree heading.' as we went through 4500 ft we received a TA followed immediately by an RA.' so we leveled and descended to approximately 4600 ft in order to avoid the conflict. The controller then, in an extremely arrogant manner, criticized our rate of turn to which we replied we were avoiding traffic. He replied in an even more demeaning tone that we didn't conflict and he had us both on radar, however, he never issued this traffic to us and we are enhanced TCASII equipped. I called atl approach after arriving at our destination. Supervisor responded he would take care of this problem. This is the second time it has happened.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CPR PLT HAS TCASII RA BELOW THE ATL CLASS B WHILE UNDER TRACON CTL. CTLR ATTITUDE WAS A FACTOR AFTER AVOIDANCE ACTION WAS TAKEN. A RECURRING EVENT.
Narrative: UPON DEP FROM RWY 8 AT FTY WE WERE ASSIGNED 3100 FT AND 010 DEG HDG. WE WERE THEN ASSIGNED 5000 FT AND A 'L TURN 150 DEG HDG.' AS WE WENT THROUGH 4500 FT WE RECEIVED A TA FOLLOWED IMMEDIATELY BY AN RA.' SO WE LEVELED AND DSNDED TO APPROX 4600 FT IN ORDER TO AVOID THE CONFLICT. THE CTLR THEN, IN AN EXTREMELY ARROGANT MANNER, CRITICIZED OUR RATE OF TURN TO WHICH WE REPLIED WE WERE AVOIDING TFC. HE REPLIED IN AN EVEN MORE DEMEANING TONE THAT WE DIDN'T CONFLICT AND HE HAD US BOTH ON RADAR, HOWEVER, HE NEVER ISSUED THIS TFC TO US AND WE ARE ENHANCED TCASII EQUIPPED. I CALLED ATL APCH AFTER ARRIVING AT OUR DEST. SUPVR RESPONDED HE WOULD TAKE CARE OF THIS PROB. THIS IS THE SECOND TIME IT HAS HAPPENED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.