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Attributes | |
ACN | 463730 |
Time | |
Date | 200002 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : clt.airport |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 14000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : ztl.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Recip Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 1850 flight time type : 848 |
ASRS Report | 463730 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
The controller told us to descend down to 11000 ft by 15 mi before the intersection, the descent was approximately 10000 ft in 25 mi. Although we tried hard to comply we were not able to reach 11000 ft in 25 mi. Some controllers do not understand that piston aircraft cannot descend as fast as jet aircraft. If you pull the throttle back in a piston from high altitude in the winter, you will create shock cooling and damage the cylinders. Also, piston aircraft have much lower turbulence penetration speeds than jets. This causes you to slow up your descent further. In this instance we were on a long trip and were with ZTL for a good amount of time. It would be helpful to pilots if the controllers would issue longer distances to descend rather than trying to rush pilots down most of the time.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT DID NOT MAKE ASSIGNED XING RESTR.
Narrative: THE CTLR TOLD US TO DSND DOWN TO 11000 FT BY 15 MI BEFORE THE INTXN, THE DSCNT WAS APPROX 10000 FT IN 25 MI. ALTHOUGH WE TRIED HARD TO COMPLY WE WERE NOT ABLE TO REACH 11000 FT IN 25 MI. SOME CTLRS DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT PISTON ACFT CANNOT DSND AS FAST AS JET ACFT. IF YOU PULL THE THROTTLE BACK IN A PISTON FROM HIGH ALT IN THE WINTER, YOU WILL CREATE SHOCK COOLING AND DAMAGE THE CYLINDERS. ALSO, PISTON ACFT HAVE MUCH LOWER TURB PENETRATION SPDS THAN JETS. THIS CAUSES YOU TO SLOW UP YOUR DSCNT FURTHER. IN THIS INSTANCE WE WERE ON A LONG TRIP AND WERE WITH ZTL FOR A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO PLTS IF THE CTLRS WOULD ISSUE LONGER DISTANCES TO DSND RATHER THAN TRYING TO RUSH PLTS DOWN MOST OF THE TIME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.