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Attributes | |
ACN | 464020 |
Time | |
Date | 200002 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : rbv.vortac |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 10000 |
ASRS Report | 464020 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : company policies non adherence : clearance non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Normal arrival procedure is to cross rbv at 8000 ft. I (PNF) was involved with calling company maintenance to report a write-up. After passing rbv VOR I noticed we were level at 7000 ft. I asked first officer why we were at that altitude. He was unsure, thought we might have been cleared to 7000 ft (this is not normal ATC procedure). When I was picking up the microphone to query ATC, they then cleared us to descend to 6000 ft. ATC never mentioned any concern with the 7000 ft altitude. But operating in that environment I believe that 7000 ft is not an altitude normally cleared to. I need to make company related calls during a less intensive time (although hard to do in the northeast ATC environment).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG CREW HAD ALTDEV ON ARR TO EWR.
Narrative: NORMAL ARR PROC IS TO CROSS RBV AT 8000 FT. I (PNF) WAS INVOLVED WITH CALLING COMPANY MAINT TO RPT A WRITE-UP. AFTER PASSING RBV VOR I NOTICED WE WERE LEVEL AT 7000 FT. I ASKED FO WHY WE WERE AT THAT ALT. HE WAS UNSURE, THOUGHT WE MIGHT HAVE BEEN CLRED TO 7000 FT (THIS IS NOT NORMAL ATC PROC). WHEN I WAS PICKING UP THE MIKE TO QUERY ATC, THEY THEN CLRED US TO DSND TO 6000 FT. ATC NEVER MENTIONED ANY CONCERN WITH THE 7000 FT ALT. BUT OPERATING IN THAT ENVIRONMENT I BELIEVE THAT 7000 FT IS NOT AN ALT NORMALLY CLRED TO. I NEED TO MAKE COMPANY RELATED CALLS DURING A LESS INTENSIVE TIME (ALTHOUGH HARD TO DO IN THE NE ATC ENVIRONMENT).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.