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Flight crew of a beech 1900 passed the hold short line during taxi for takeoff due to the hold short line was hard to see and its new location further back down the taxiway from the runway.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 464310 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200002 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : pou.airport |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Beech 1900 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 2500 flight time type : 400 |
| ASRS Report | 464310 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
| Situations | |
| Airport | markings : pou.airport |
Narrative:
On feb/xa/00, I, the captain of a BE1900D for air carrier, was taxiing at dutchess county airport on taxiway a to runway 6. As I was taxiing, I perceived the hold short line to be further up the taxiway than it actually was. Due to the fact that the line was painted over and moved back. The hold short line was not brightly marked due to wear. Just as I crossed the hold short line, tower controller advised me that I had crossed it. He then stated that many other aircraft had mistaken the location of the hold short line. At that time I stopped the aircraft without incident and proceeded to tell the tower controller that I perceived the hold short line to be further up than it was. He then told me to make note of its location and then cleared the flight for takeoff without incident. I fully understand the importance of the situation and felt it was necessary to make this report. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated that he had flown into the airport and used the same taxiway again, noticing this time that the hold short line was more noticeable and that there was a hold short line sign for runway 6 on the left side of the runway. He stated that since the hold short line was further back down the taxiway from the turn in to the runway, he was not expecting it that soon prior to the runway. He believes that the hold short line placement location is for consideration of possible ILS interference. He advised that both he and his first officer were going through the pre-takeoff checklist and were not looking for it that soon prior to the runway. He further stated that he thought that the tower controller was referencing the private less experienced pilots in remarking about others have also overshot the hold line and therefore, did not expect him as a professional air carrier pilot to make the same mistake.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A BEECH 1900 PASSED THE HOLD SHORT LINE DURING TAXI FOR TKOF DUE TO THE HOLD SHORT LINE WAS HARD TO SEE AND ITS NEW LOCATION FURTHER BACK DOWN THE TXWY FROM THE RWY.
Narrative: ON FEB/XA/00, I, THE CAPT OF A BE1900D FOR ACR, WAS TAXIING AT DUTCHESS COUNTY ARPT ON TXWY A TO RWY 6. AS I WAS TAXIING, I PERCEIVED THE HOLD SHORT LINE TO BE FURTHER UP THE TXWY THAN IT ACTUALLY WAS. DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE LINE WAS PAINTED OVER AND MOVED BACK. THE HOLD SHORT LINE WAS NOT BRIGHTLY MARKED DUE TO WEAR. JUST AS I CROSSED THE HOLD SHORT LINE, TWR CTLR ADVISED ME THAT I HAD CROSSED IT. HE THEN STATED THAT MANY OTHER ACFT HAD MISTAKEN THE LOCATION OF THE HOLD SHORT LINE. AT THAT TIME I STOPPED THE ACFT WITHOUT INCIDENT AND PROCEEDED TO TELL THE TWR CTLR THAT I PERCEIVED THE HOLD SHORT LINE TO BE FURTHER UP THAN IT WAS. HE THEN TOLD ME TO MAKE NOTE OF ITS LOCATION AND THEN CLRED THE FLT FOR TKOF WITHOUT INCIDENT. I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SIT AND FELT IT WAS NECESSARY TO MAKE THIS RPT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THAT HE HAD FLOWN INTO THE ARPT AND USED THE SAME TXWY AGAIN, NOTICING THIS TIME THAT THE HOLD SHORT LINE WAS MORE NOTICEABLE AND THAT THERE WAS A HOLD SHORT LINE SIGN FOR RWY 6 ON THE L SIDE OF THE RWY. HE STATED THAT SINCE THE HOLD SHORT LINE WAS FURTHER BACK DOWN THE TXWY FROM THE TURN IN TO THE RWY, HE WAS NOT EXPECTING IT THAT SOON PRIOR TO THE RWY. HE BELIEVES THAT THE HOLD SHORT LINE PLACEMENT LOCATION IS FOR CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ILS INTERFERENCE. HE ADVISED THAT BOTH HE AND HIS FO WERE GOING THROUGH THE PRE-TKOF CHECKLIST AND WERE NOT LOOKING FOR IT THAT SOON PRIOR TO THE RWY. HE FURTHER STATED THAT HE THOUGHT THAT THE TWR CTLR WAS REFERENCING THE PRIVATE LESS EXPERIENCED PLTS IN REMARKING ABOUT OTHERS HAVE ALSO OVERSHOT THE HOLD LINE AND THEREFORE, DID NOT EXPECT HIM AS A PROFESSIONAL ACR PLT TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.