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Captain of an large transport complains of workload in responding to numerous TCASII targets and departure control clearance changes during climb out from the lgb airport. Believes that the departure for air carrier aircraft could be immediately climbed into class B airspace for separation from light aircraft traffic in and around the airport class D airspace.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 464771 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200002 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lgb.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : lgb.tower |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise : level descent : intermediate altitude |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 4200 |
| ASRS Report | 464771 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 vertical : 1000 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Airspace Structure |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : lgb.tower |
| Airport | procedure or policy : lgb.airport |
Narrative:
I have operated out of lgb for the last 3 sundays in a row, each time has been frightening. The standard departure is a turn at 1500 ft to a 180 degree heading off of runway 30. Socal departure assigns 3000 ft. Upon 'checking in' with socal, we are issued with TA's of VFR light aircraft. The TCASII display shows numerous targets within +/-2000 ft of us. ATC burdens us with multiple heading, altitude and frequency changes, resulting in a lot of heads down time. I believe this departure on wkends is very dangerous. I will not put my family in the back of any air carrier flight into or out of lgb on the wkend! A suggested solution would be to allow air carrier departures to make unrestr climbs to at least 8000 ft and into the protection of the lax class B airspace as soon as possible.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF AN LGT COMPLAINS OF WORKLOAD IN RESPONDING TO NUMEROUS TCASII TARGETS AND DEP CTL CLRNC CHANGES DURING CLBOUT FROM THE LGB ARPT. BELIEVES THAT THE DEP FOR ACR ACFT COULD BE IMMEDIATELY CLBED INTO CLASS B AIRSPACE FOR SEPARATION FROM LIGHT ACFT TFC IN AND AROUND THE ARPT CLASS D AIRSPACE.
Narrative: I HAVE OPERATED OUT OF LGB FOR THE LAST 3 SUNDAYS IN A ROW, EACH TIME HAS BEEN FRIGHTENING. THE STANDARD DEP IS A TURN AT 1500 FT TO A 180 DEG HDG OFF OF RWY 30. SOCAL DEP ASSIGNS 3000 FT. UPON 'CHKING IN' WITH SOCAL, WE ARE ISSUED WITH TA'S OF VFR LIGHT ACFT. THE TCASII DISPLAY SHOWS NUMEROUS TARGETS WITHIN +/-2000 FT OF US. ATC BURDENS US WITH MULTIPLE HDG, ALT AND FREQ CHANGES, RESULTING IN A LOT OF HEADS DOWN TIME. I BELIEVE THIS DEP ON WKENDS IS VERY DANGEROUS. I WILL NOT PUT MY FAMILY IN THE BACK OF ANY ACR FLT INTO OR OUT OF LGB ON THE WKEND! A SUGGESTED SOLUTION WOULD BE TO ALLOW ACR DEPS TO MAKE UNRESTR CLBS TO AT LEAST 8000 FT AND INTO THE PROTECTION OF THE LAX CLASS B AIRSPACE ASAP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.