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Attributes | |
ACN | 465360 |
Time | |
Date | 200003 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl single value : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : bowie |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 9500 |
ASRS Report | 465360 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2500 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance ATC Facility |
Primary Problem | ATC Facility |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Location: siler intersection. Please reference earlier report for same flight tul-dfw. After filing earlier report, I contacted dfw TRACON. I spoke with a supervisor familiar with our close encounter. That is, close for me 1/2 mi, not close for him. The supervisor did not share my concern at all. He also said that 1/4 mi lateral separation is fine at 11000 ft if one plane sees the other. He would not provide me with the initials of the controller involved. What does that tell you? Safety is not a concern at dfw TRACON. Yes, I realize that TRACON can make my life more difficult than I can hurt theirs, but there is no excuse for this, and please understand when I refuse a TRACON controller a jump seat. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: this report was 1 of 2 reports submitted to his airline. The reporter said that the traffic involved was an air carrier cleared to descend through his altitude and it passed behind causing a TCASII RA. At the time the reporter was under assigned speed control until he began to slow to cross the fix at 100 KTS below the previous speed. The WX conditions were clear and the other aircraft reported visual contact with the reporter's aircraft. The main concern of the reporter after the conflict is the attitude of the supervisor at the TRACON which he considers to be less than professional. He is concerned that this attitude will be spread to those under supervision of this person.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TFC CONFLICT OVER SILER INTXN NEAR DFW, TX.
Narrative: LOCATION: SILER INTXN. PLEASE REF EARLIER RPT FOR SAME FLT TUL-DFW. AFTER FILING EARLIER RPT, I CONTACTED DFW TRACON. I SPOKE WITH A SUPVR FAMILIAR WITH OUR CLOSE ENCOUNTER. THAT IS, CLOSE FOR ME 1/2 MI, NOT CLOSE FOR HIM. THE SUPVR DID NOT SHARE MY CONCERN AT ALL. HE ALSO SAID THAT 1/4 MI LATERAL SEPARATION IS FINE AT 11000 FT IF ONE PLANE SEES THE OTHER. HE WOULD NOT PROVIDE ME WITH THE INITIALS OF THE CTLR INVOLVED. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU? SAFETY IS NOT A CONCERN AT DFW TRACON. YES, I REALIZE THAT TRACON CAN MAKE MY LIFE MORE DIFFICULT THAN I CAN HURT THEIRS, BUT THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS, AND PLEASE UNDERSTAND WHEN I REFUSE A TRACON CTLR A JUMP SEAT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THIS RPT WAS 1 OF 2 RPTS SUBMITTED TO HIS AIRLINE. THE RPTR SAID THAT THE TFC INVOLVED WAS AN ACR CLRED TO DSND THROUGH HIS ALT AND IT PASSED BEHIND CAUSING A TCASII RA. AT THE TIME THE RPTR WAS UNDER ASSIGNED SPD CTL UNTIL HE BEGAN TO SLOW TO CROSS THE FIX AT 100 KTS BELOW THE PREVIOUS SPD. THE WX CONDITIONS WERE CLR AND THE OTHER ACFT RPTED VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE RPTR'S ACFT. THE MAIN CONCERN OF THE RPTR AFTER THE CONFLICT IS THE ATTITUDE OF THE SUPVR AT THE TRACON WHICH HE CONSIDERS TO BE LESS THAN PROFESSIONAL. HE IS CONCERNED THAT THIS ATTITUDE WILL BE SPREAD TO THOSE UNDER SUPERVISION OF THIS PERSON.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.