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Air carrier complains that competing carrier pressures first officer tower to sequence traffic in improper order.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 465930 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200003 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : tncf.airport |
| State Reference | FO |
| Altitude | msl single value : 9000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : tncf.tower tower : stl.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Boeing Company Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Airbus Industrie Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : intermediate altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 6000 |
| ASRS Report | 465930 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
During en route descent for landing in aruba (reina beatrix international), at approximately 9000 ft MSL, I spotted an airbus approximately 10 mi to our east at almost our same altitude. As we were north of aruba airport and landing was east (runway 11), I told the tower that it appeared to me we were ahead of the airbus for landing. The airbus responded with something like 'no way.' on final we lost sight of the airbus and as we felt too close for comfort, requested a 360 degree turn which was granted. The airbus (captain?) made several comments to the effect that we were at fault and a hazard. After the 360 degree turn, we spotted the airbus on short final and completed the visual approach and landing with no problem. Note: because of a previous emergency into beatrix international several yrs ago, I was aware that they had limited terminal radar and was hoping they would allow us the #1 slot (primarily for fuel savings reasons).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR COMPLAINS THAT COMPETING CARRIER PRESSURES FO TWR TO SEQUENCE TFC IN IMPROPER ORDER.
Narrative: DURING ENRTE DSCNT FOR LNDG IN ARUBA (REINA BEATRIX INTL), AT APPROX 9000 FT MSL, I SPOTTED AN AIRBUS APPROX 10 MI TO OUR E AT ALMOST OUR SAME ALT. AS WE WERE N OF ARUBA ARPT AND LNDG WAS E (RWY 11), I TOLD THE TWR THAT IT APPEARED TO ME WE WERE AHEAD OF THE AIRBUS FOR LNDG. THE AIRBUS RESPONDED WITH SOMETHING LIKE 'NO WAY.' ON FINAL WE LOST SIGHT OF THE AIRBUS AND AS WE FELT TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT, REQUESTED A 360 DEG TURN WHICH WAS GRANTED. THE AIRBUS (CAPT?) MADE SEVERAL COMMENTS TO THE EFFECT THAT WE WERE AT FAULT AND A HAZARD. AFTER THE 360 DEG TURN, WE SPOTTED THE AIRBUS ON SHORT FINAL AND COMPLETED THE VISUAL APCH AND LNDG WITH NO PROB. NOTE: BECAUSE OF A PREVIOUS EMER INTO BEATRIX INTL SEVERAL YRS AGO, I WAS AWARE THAT THEY HAD LIMITED TERMINAL RADAR AND WAS HOPING THEY WOULD ALLOW US THE #1 SLOT (PRIMARILY FOR FUEL SAVINGS REASONS).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.