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Confusion between controller and pilot as to whether or not clearance was given for takeoff from uncontrolled field under IFR. No clearance void time issued.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 466270 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200003 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : bmi.airport |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | agl single value : 2000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : pia.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
| ASRS Report | 466270 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other controllerb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We received an IFR clearance from pia departure with no void time. Upon our climb out from bloomington's airport, we called peoria departure. ATC said 'I thought you were going to call.' I said 'we had, so we were just checking in now!' evidently, peoria's ATC wanted me to check in with them before we departed, which is not SOP. Then I asked if we created a conflict. Pia departure replied 'no...you departed bmi VFR.' I believe, obtaining an IFR clearance in uncontrolled airspace with a void time, will prevent confusion.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CONFUSION BTWN CTLR AND PLT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT CLRNC WAS GIVEN FOR TKOF FROM UNCTLED FIELD UNDER IFR. NO CLRNC VOID TIME ISSUED.
Narrative: WE RECEIVED AN IFR CLRNC FROM PIA DEP WITH NO VOID TIME. UPON OUR CLBOUT FROM BLOOMINGTON'S ARPT, WE CALLED PEORIA DEP. ATC SAID 'I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO CALL.' I SAID 'WE HAD, SO WE WERE JUST CHKING IN NOW!' EVIDENTLY, PEORIA'S ATC WANTED ME TO CHK IN WITH THEM BEFORE WE DEPARTED, WHICH IS NOT SOP. THEN I ASKED IF WE CREATED A CONFLICT. PIA DEP REPLIED 'NO...YOU DEPARTED BMI VFR.' I BELIEVE, OBTAINING AN IFR CLRNC IN UNCTLED AIRSPACE WITH A VOID TIME, WILL PREVENT CONFUSION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.