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Attributes | |
ACN | 466510 |
Time | |
Date | 200003 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : iiu.vortac |
State Reference | KY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zid.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747-100 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : darby |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 2400 |
ASRS Report | 466510 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Inbound to louisville international airport on airway, about 15 NM from a turn onto darby 2 STAR. ZID last assigned interim descent altitude of FL240, which we were closely approaching. This altitude would be considered somewhat above profile for the expected darby crossing restr (11000 ft) only 25-30 NM ahead. Further clearance to cross 40 DME at 11000 ft was received about this time, and descent was promptly started. I thought the clearance could be complied with, since no speed restr was issued. However, the 11000 ft altitude was not actually made until 4 DME beyond the 40 DME fix. I do not believe there was any traffic conflict, nor was there any comment by the center controller. In retrospect, I should have informed the controller early on about the uncertainty of making 11000 ft by 40 DME due to the FL240 clearance relatively close in, in order to negotiate some relief. What really caused the problem? As captain, I pride myself on always being ahead of the situation and pro-active, but I have to think that on this night I was not quite giving 100% thought and effort to this part of the flight.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE PIC OF A B747-100 FREIGHTER FAILS TO MAKE AN ALT XING RESTR 40 DME SE OF IIU, KY.
Narrative: INBOUND TO LOUISVILLE INTL ARPT ON AIRWAY, ABOUT 15 NM FROM A TURN ONTO DARBY 2 STAR. ZID LAST ASSIGNED INTERIM DSCNT ALT OF FL240, WHICH WE WERE CLOSELY APCHING. THIS ALT WOULD BE CONSIDERED SOMEWHAT ABOVE PROFILE FOR THE EXPECTED DARBY XING RESTR (11000 FT) ONLY 25-30 NM AHEAD. FURTHER CLRNC TO CROSS 40 DME AT 11000 FT WAS RECEIVED ABOUT THIS TIME, AND DSCNT WAS PROMPTLY STARTED. I THOUGHT THE CLRNC COULD BE COMPLIED WITH, SINCE NO SPD RESTR WAS ISSUED. HOWEVER, THE 11000 FT ALT WAS NOT ACTUALLY MADE UNTIL 4 DME BEYOND THE 40 DME FIX. I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY TFC CONFLICT, NOR WAS THERE ANY COMMENT BY THE CTR CTLR. IN RETROSPECT, I SHOULD HAVE INFORMED THE CTLR EARLY ON ABOUT THE UNCERTAINTY OF MAKING 11000 FT BY 40 DME DUE TO THE FL240 CLRNC RELATIVELY CLOSE IN, IN ORDER TO NEGOTIATE SOME RELIEF. WHAT REALLY CAUSED THE PROB? AS CAPT, I PRIDE MYSELF ON ALWAYS BEING AHEAD OF THE SIT AND PRO-ACTIVE, BUT I HAVE TO THINK THAT ON THIS NIGHT I WAS NOT QUITE GIVING 100% THOUGHT AND EFFORT TO THIS PART OF THE FLT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.