Narrative:

Flight from phx to phog departed on schedule. I allowed the first officer to fly the first leg. I operated the radios and cepac (central pacific -- reduced vertical separation minimums and required navigation performance international operations) navigation procedures. I knew the first officer had been with us for many years and served as an flight engineer and first officer on various aircraft in our fleet. On the return flight from hnl to phx, I flew the aircraft and the first officer operated the radios and cepac navigation procedures. The first officer's procedures seemed lacking to me, so I coached him during the crossing. When we switched HF frequencys, the first officer failed to get a SELCAL. I instructed him to get the SELCAL according to procedure. I then asked him 'who gave you your navigation check?' he informed me that he did not receive a navigation check. He only completed the ground school and 180 ETOPS (3 hour rule) simulator loft. Although FARS do not require a check airman navigation check for cepac, airline policy requires the navigation check, although it is a gray area. I do have 17 yrs of minimum navigation performance specifications and class ii long range navigation flts, but I feel that our airline should not assign flight crew on cepac flts without these navigation check rides. Crew scheduling should ensure all crew members are qualified to operate class ii long range/minimum navigation performance specifications/required navigation performance navigation prior to scheduling the crew member. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the PIC stated that he had brought this subject up several times to company check pilots. He didn't want to be in 'violation' over not having received a SELCAL check. A SELCAL check is company required after every frequency change, even with the same radio. The radio operators sometimes question this procedure, saying 'you have already had a SELCAL check.' reporter was assured that he was not in violation since he caught the omission and that he was simply reporting a 'situation' that has occurred several times. It appears that the company record keeping is too lax. The subject first officer had been a first officer on the B727 before. Company policy requires a line check for the pacific operations since the reduced vertical separation minimums (rvsm) are used there to a great degree (as they are in the atlantic region). According to the reporter, this will soon be an far requirement.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A B757-200 PIC RPT REGARDING THE COMPANY'S TRAINING POLICIES AND RECORD KEEPING FOR FO LINE CHKS ON PACIFIC OPS. FO DID NOT GET A SELCAL CHK WHEN CHANGING FREQS WITH COM RADIO OPERATOR. ZOA, CA.

Narrative: FLT FROM PHX TO PHOG DEPARTED ON SCHEDULE. I ALLOWED THE FO TO FLY THE FIRST LEG. I OPERATED THE RADIOS AND CEPAC (CENTRAL PACIFIC -- REDUCED VERT SEPARATION MINIMUMS AND REQUIRED NAV PERFORMANCE INTL OPS) NAV PROCEDURES. I KNEW THE FO HAD BEEN WITH US FOR MANY YEARS AND SERVED AS AN FE AND FO ON VARIOUS ACFT IN OUR FLEET. ON THE RETURN FLT FROM HNL TO PHX, I FLEW THE ACFT AND THE FO OPERATED THE RADIOS AND CEPAC NAV PROCS. THE FO'S PROCS SEEMED LACKING TO ME, SO I COACHED HIM DURING THE XING. WHEN WE SWITCHED HF FREQS, THE FO FAILED TO GET A SELCAL. I INSTRUCTED HIM TO GET THE SELCAL ACCORDING TO PROC. I THEN ASKED HIM 'WHO GAVE YOU YOUR NAV CHK?' HE INFORMED ME THAT HE DID NOT RECEIVE A NAV CHK. HE ONLY COMPLETED THE GND SCHOOL AND 180 ETOPS (3 HR RULE) SIMULATOR LOFT. ALTHOUGH FARS DO NOT REQUIRE A CHK AIRMAN NAV CHK FOR CEPAC, AIRLINE POLICY REQUIRES THE NAV CHK, ALTHOUGH IT IS A GRAY AREA. I DO HAVE 17 YRS OF MINIMUM NAV PERFORMANCE SPECS AND CLASS II LONG RANGE NAV FLTS, BUT I FEEL THAT OUR AIRLINE SHOULD NOT ASSIGN FLC ON CEPAC FLTS WITHOUT THESE NAV CHK RIDES. CREW SCHEDULING SHOULD ENSURE ALL CREW MEMBERS ARE QUALIFIED TO OPERATE CLASS II LONG RANGE/MINIMUM NAV PERFORMANCE SPECS/REQUIRED NAV PERFORMANCE NAV PRIOR TO SCHEDULING THE CREW MEMBER. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE PIC STATED THAT HE HAD BROUGHT THIS SUBJECT UP SEVERAL TIMES TO COMPANY CHK PLTS. HE DIDN'T WANT TO BE IN 'VIOLATION' OVER NOT HAVING RECEIVED A SELCAL CHK. A SELCAL CHK IS COMPANY REQUIRED AFTER EVERY FREQ CHANGE, EVEN WITH THE SAME RADIO. THE RADIO OPERATORS SOMETIMES QUESTION THIS PROC, SAYING 'YOU HAVE ALREADY HAD A SELCAL CHK.' RPTR WAS ASSURED THAT HE WAS NOT IN VIOLATION SINCE HE CAUGHT THE OMISSION AND THAT HE WAS SIMPLY RPTING A 'SIT' THAT HAS OCCURRED SEVERAL TIMES. IT APPEARS THAT THE COMPANY RECORD KEEPING IS TOO LAX. THE SUBJECT FO HAD BEEN A FO ON THE B727 BEFORE. COMPANY POLICY REQUIRES A LINE CHK FOR THE PACIFIC OPS SINCE THE REDUCED VERT SEPARATION MINIMUMS (RVSM) ARE USED THERE TO A GREAT DEG (AS THEY ARE IN THE ATLANTIC REGION). ACCORDING TO THE RPTR, THIS WILL SOON BE AN FAR REQUIREMENT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.