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Attributes | |
ACN | 469182 |
Time | |
Date | 200004 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cyyz.airport |
State Reference | ON |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : a11.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 469182 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport ATC Human Performance ATC Facility |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
The whole crew was on a continuous duty overnight. We all had only 5 hours of rest. We arrived at the aircraft at XA00. We got our clearance which was the toronto 3 departure off runway 33R. We pushed back from the gate at XA30. We called approach control for taxi. They gave instructions to taxi and hold short of taxiway ag, then contact ground. We called ground short of taxiway ag and they gave a new runway and a new SID. It was now going to be runway 23 and the bowles 1 departure. Our taxi instructions were taxiway a and hold short of taxiway H. My first officer did the taxi checklist. After completion of the taxi checklist, I had him pull out the bowles 1 departure. We both had reviewed it and changed the runway and SID in the FMS. When we were short of taxiway H, ground told us to taxi to taxiway H to runway 23. As we made our turn to taxiway H, ground told us to contact tower. Tower said 'change your departure to the lester 2.' again, I had my first officer get it out and we both reviewed it. Tower said taxi into position and wait on runway 23. We are still about 500 ft from the hold short line still working on the changes in our departure. Once the FMS was again changed and we both agreed of the changes, tower said 'are you guys going to taxiway Q?' and I said 'say again.' tower said 'are you guys going to take taxiway Q?' we both looked at each other and I said 'he said to taxi into position and wait, right?' my first officer said yes. Then tower cleared us for takeoff. After looking at the airport diagram, taxiway H turns into taxiway Q. Taxiway Q takes you to the end of runway 23, which is what our clearance was. Ground wanted us to depart runway 23 from intersection H, but didn't say this in his taxi instructions. There were way too many runway and SID changes. Yyz controllers do this all the time. This needs to stop!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MULTIPLE RWY AND DEP CLRNC CHANGES CAUSE CONCERN AT YYZ, ON.
Narrative: THE WHOLE CREW WAS ON A CONTINUOUS DUTY OVERNIGHT. WE ALL HAD ONLY 5 HRS OF REST. WE ARRIVED AT THE ACFT AT XA00. WE GOT OUR CLRNC WHICH WAS THE TORONTO 3 DEP OFF RWY 33R. WE PUSHED BACK FROM THE GATE AT XA30. WE CALLED APCH CTL FOR TAXI. THEY GAVE INSTRUCTIONS TO TAXI AND HOLD SHORT OF TXWY AG, THEN CONTACT GND. WE CALLED GND SHORT OF TXWY AG AND THEY GAVE A NEW RWY AND A NEW SID. IT WAS NOW GOING TO BE RWY 23 AND THE BOWLES 1 DEP. OUR TAXI INSTRUCTIONS WERE TXWY A AND HOLD SHORT OF TXWY H. MY FO DID THE TAXI CHKLIST. AFTER COMPLETION OF THE TAXI CHKLIST, I HAD HIM PULL OUT THE BOWLES 1 DEP. WE BOTH HAD REVIEWED IT AND CHANGED THE RWY AND SID IN THE FMS. WHEN WE WERE SHORT OF TXWY H, GND TOLD US TO TAXI TO TXWY H TO RWY 23. AS WE MADE OUR TURN TO TXWY H, GND TOLD US TO CONTACT TWR. TWR SAID 'CHANGE YOUR DEP TO THE LESTER 2.' AGAIN, I HAD MY FO GET IT OUT AND WE BOTH REVIEWED IT. TWR SAID TAXI INTO POS AND WAIT ON RWY 23. WE ARE STILL ABOUT 500 FT FROM THE HOLD SHORT LINE STILL WORKING ON THE CHANGES IN OUR DEP. ONCE THE FMS WAS AGAIN CHANGED AND WE BOTH AGREED OF THE CHANGES, TWR SAID 'ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO TXWY Q?' AND I SAID 'SAY AGAIN.' TWR SAID 'ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO TAKE TXWY Q?' WE BOTH LOOKED AT EACH OTHER AND I SAID 'HE SAID TO TAXI INTO POS AND WAIT, RIGHT?' MY FO SAID YES. THEN TWR CLRED US FOR TKOF. AFTER LOOKING AT THE ARPT DIAGRAM, TXWY H TURNS INTO TXWY Q. TXWY Q TAKES YOU TO THE END OF RWY 23, WHICH IS WHAT OUR CLRNC WAS. GND WANTED US TO DEPART RWY 23 FROM INTXN H, BUT DIDN'T SAY THIS IN HIS TAXI INSTRUCTIONS. THERE WERE WAY TOO MANY RWY AND SID CHANGES. YYZ CTLRS DO THIS ALL THE TIME. THIS NEEDS TO STOP!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.