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Attributes | |
ACN | 470150 |
Time | |
Date | 200004 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : msp.airport |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | msl single value : 7200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : m98.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : snine.3 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : m98.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 470150 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 165 flight time total : 2385 flight time type : 630 |
ASRS Report | 469933 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllerb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2500 vertical : 900 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
On climb out on departure from msp on initial contact with msp departure control, he cleared us to 7000 ft initially. As we passed 5200 ft in the climb, he reclred us to 17000 ft. At 7200 ft we received TCASII TA which immediately became an RA to descend. We acquired a visual on a DC9 at 12 O'clock position. At about the same time departure control came back to us and told us we were only cleared to 7000 ft. I told him he had cleared us to 17000 ft. At that time he reclred us to 8000 ft and heading 360 degrees to maintain a visual on the DC9. Shortly thereafter, he reclred us to 17000 ft (after the DC9 cleared). Note: during the RA maneuver, the aircraft exceeded 250 KTS.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLRED ALT IN QUESTION. TCASII RA PROVIDES SOLUTION NEAR MSP, MN.
Narrative: ON CLBOUT ON DEP FROM MSP ON INITIAL CONTACT WITH MSP DEP CTL, HE CLRED US TO 7000 FT INITIALLY. AS WE PASSED 5200 FT IN THE CLB, HE RECLRED US TO 17000 FT. AT 7200 FT WE RECEIVED TCASII TA WHICH IMMEDIATELY BECAME AN RA TO DSND. WE ACQUIRED A VISUAL ON A DC9 AT 12 O'CLOCK POS. AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME DEP CTL CAME BACK TO US AND TOLD US WE WERE ONLY CLRED TO 7000 FT. I TOLD HIM HE HAD CLRED US TO 17000 FT. AT THAT TIME HE RECLRED US TO 8000 FT AND HDG 360 DEGS TO MAINTAIN A VISUAL ON THE DC9. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, HE RECLRED US TO 17000 FT (AFTER THE DC9 CLRED). NOTE: DURING THE RA MANEUVER, THE ACFT EXCEEDED 250 KTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.