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Attributes | |
ACN | 470690 |
Time | |
Date | 200004 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : mem.ils |
State Reference | TN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 20500 msl bound upper : 23000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zme.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 30 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : n/s |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zme.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 219 flight time total : 21000 flight time type : 18000 |
ASRS Report | 470690 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence other |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : 928 |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert flight crew : returned to assigned altitude other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
In cruise we were given instruction to descend, pilot's discretion, to 12000 ft. Shortly thereafter, to cross tammy intersection (39 DME from mem) at 12000 ft. We reported out of FL230 for 12000 ft. Later, the controller asked what altitude we were supposed to be at. At this time we were passing FL205 in descent. We gave this as our altitude. He replied that we should be at FL230. Another flight (air carrier Y) came on frequency and agreed with us that he (ATC) had given us the altitude change. This was the last that we heard of the altitude misunderstanding from ZME. At this time, inbound to mem, there were flts air carrier X (ours), air carrier Y and air carrier Z. Factors: possible controller confusion due to several flts with similar or similar sounding flight numbers. As a note: we had similar problem the night before (mem-jan). Possible corrections: 1) have all airlines check for similar flight numbers. 2) eliminate 4 digit flight numbers. In my opinion they are 'harder' to hear in the busy ATC environment. They also seem to get 'chopped off' at the start and stop (ending) of a transmission. 3) everyone (ATC and pilots) use good radio procedure -- especially one's company callsign. Air carrier X, air carrier Y, air carrier Z, etc. These 2 cause problems during busy times.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A DC9-30 WERE DSNDING AS INSTRUCTED BY ATC WHEN THE ARTCC CTLR QUERIED THE FLC REGARDING THEIR ALT AND THAT THEY WERE NOT CLRED FROM ASSIGNED ALT. ANOTHER COMPANY ACFT CONFIRMED THAT RPTR HAD BEEN GIVEN THE CLRNC.
Narrative: IN CRUISE WE WERE GIVEN INSTRUCTION TO DSND, PLT'S DISCRETION, TO 12000 FT. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, TO CROSS TAMMY INTXN (39 DME FROM MEM) AT 12000 FT. WE RPTED OUT OF FL230 FOR 12000 FT. LATER, THE CTLR ASKED WHAT ALT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE AT. AT THIS TIME WE WERE PASSING FL205 IN DSCNT. WE GAVE THIS AS OUR ALT. HE REPLIED THAT WE SHOULD BE AT FL230. ANOTHER FLT (ACR Y) CAME ON FREQ AND AGREED WITH US THAT HE (ATC) HAD GIVEN US THE ALT CHANGE. THIS WAS THE LAST THAT WE HEARD OF THE ALT MISUNDERSTANDING FROM ZME. AT THIS TIME, INBOUND TO MEM, THERE WERE FLTS ACR X (OURS), ACR Y AND ACR Z. FACTORS: POSSIBLE CTLR CONFUSION DUE TO SEVERAL FLTS WITH SIMILAR OR SIMILAR SOUNDING FLT NUMBERS. AS A NOTE: WE HAD SIMILAR PROB THE NIGHT BEFORE (MEM-JAN). POSSIBLE CORRECTIONS: 1) HAVE ALL AIRLINES CHK FOR SIMILAR FLT NUMBERS. 2) ELIMINATE 4 DIGIT FLT NUMBERS. IN MY OPINION THEY ARE 'HARDER' TO HEAR IN THE BUSY ATC ENVIRONMENT. THEY ALSO SEEM TO GET 'CHOPPED OFF' AT THE START AND STOP (ENDING) OF A XMISSION. 3) EVERYONE (ATC AND PLTS) USE GOOD RADIO PROC -- ESPECIALLY ONE'S COMPANY CALLSIGN. ACR X, ACR Y, ACR Z, ETC. THESE 2 CAUSE PROBS DURING BUSY TIMES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.