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Attributes | |
ACN | 471003 |
Time | |
Date | 200004 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : blm.airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 msl bound upper : 800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee Arrow IV |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer only : 14 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 10 flight time total : 215.9 flight time type : 12.1 |
ASRS Report | 471003 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Events | |
Anomaly | ground encounters : gear up landing non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I was nearing the end of a training flight in a piper arrow III. The training flight was part of a chkout for obtaining my complex airplane endorsement. At midfield downwind for runway 14 at blm airport, the CFI declared a simulated engine out. At the same time, an unidented aircraft declared he was inbound on the localizer runway 14 approach to blm approximately 2 mi out. I mentioned to the instructor that I did not have that aircraft in sight. The instructor then informed me that the emergency override on the landing gear was to be engaged to prevent the gear from dropping automatically at low airspeed creating unwanted drag. Once engaged, we were abeam the numbers at about 800 ft indicated and he instructed me to turn base. Once established on base, I commented again that I did not have the aircraft inbound on the localizer in sight, and the instructor commented we had enough spacing with that aircraft and not to worry. Once I felt I had the airport made, I deployed a notch of flaps and quickly followed with a second notch of flaps. The instructed commented that I should not have deployed flaps until I was established on final. I told the instructor that my previous instructor (this is my fourth) only asked that I had to be sure the runway was made -- not necessarily on final. At that point we turned final, and upon rolling out of the turn we were almost over the numbers. At that point I felt that the exercise would be over and considering there was an aircraft on close final, I asked if this was just going to be a low approach. The instructor said no, land the plane, and he immediately began discussing keeping the nose pointed down, not flatting out too early, when to flare, etc. That was our last discussion before we landed gear up.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GEAR UP LNDG AT BLM, NJ, ON AN INSTRUCTIONAL FLT.
Narrative: I WAS NEARING THE END OF A TRAINING FLT IN A PIPER ARROW III. THE TRAINING FLT WAS PART OF A CHKOUT FOR OBTAINING MY COMPLEX AIRPLANE ENDORSEMENT. AT MIDFIELD DOWNWIND FOR RWY 14 AT BLM ARPT, THE CFI DECLARED A SIMULATED ENG OUT. AT THE SAME TIME, AN UNIDENTED ACFT DECLARED HE WAS INBOUND ON THE LOC RWY 14 APCH TO BLM APPROX 2 MI OUT. I MENTIONED TO THE INSTRUCTOR THAT I DID NOT HAVE THAT ACFT IN SIGHT. THE INSTRUCTOR THEN INFORMED ME THAT THE EMER OVERRIDE ON THE LNDG GEAR WAS TO BE ENGAGED TO PREVENT THE GEAR FROM DROPPING AUTOMATICALLY AT LOW AIRSPD CREATING UNWANTED DRAG. ONCE ENGAGED, WE WERE ABEAM THE NUMBERS AT ABOUT 800 FT INDICATED AND HE INSTRUCTED ME TO TURN BASE. ONCE ESTABLISHED ON BASE, I COMMENTED AGAIN THAT I DID NOT HAVE THE ACFT INBOUND ON THE LOC IN SIGHT, AND THE INSTRUCTOR COMMENTED WE HAD ENOUGH SPACING WITH THAT ACFT AND NOT TO WORRY. ONCE I FELT I HAD THE ARPT MADE, I DEPLOYED A NOTCH OF FLAPS AND QUICKLY FOLLOWED WITH A SECOND NOTCH OF FLAPS. THE INSTRUCTED COMMENTED THAT I SHOULD NOT HAVE DEPLOYED FLAPS UNTIL I WAS ESTABLISHED ON FINAL. I TOLD THE INSTRUCTOR THAT MY PREVIOUS INSTRUCTOR (THIS IS MY FOURTH) ONLY ASKED THAT I HAD TO BE SURE THE RWY WAS MADE -- NOT NECESSARILY ON FINAL. AT THAT POINT WE TURNED FINAL, AND UPON ROLLING OUT OF THE TURN WE WERE ALMOST OVER THE NUMBERS. AT THAT POINT I FELT THAT THE EXERCISE WOULD BE OVER AND CONSIDERING THERE WAS AN ACFT ON CLOSE FINAL, I ASKED IF THIS WAS JUST GOING TO BE A LOW APCH. THE INSTRUCTOR SAID NO, LAND THE PLANE, AND HE IMMEDIATELY BEGAN DISCUSSING KEEPING THE NOSE POINTED DOWN, NOT FLATTING OUT TOO EARLY, WHEN TO FLARE, ETC. THAT WAS OUR LAST DISCUSSION BEFORE WE LANDED GEAR UP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.