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Attributes | |
ACN | 471155 |
Time | |
Date | 200005 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pdx.airport |
State Reference | OR |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : p80.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-700 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : p80.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 471155 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry conflict : airborne critical non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other controllerb other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While being vectored for visual, cessna VFR traffic was called out at 4000 ft MSL. We advised ATC that traffic was not in sight. He held us up at 4500 ft MSL and turned us in to pass behind traffic. We then received a TCASII alert and RA to descend immediately. After complying with that, we received an additional RA to monitor vertical speed to avoid commuter traffic. We complied with that. Only at last min did we see VFR cessna traffic, but had commuter traffic in sight at all times. Supplemental information from ACN471156: air carrier descending north of pdx on downwind. I called VFR traffic and stopped it at 4500 ft. At the time, the VFR traffic was at 4000 ft. The VFR traffic continued to climb northeast. The air carrier verified that the traffic was a correct altitude readout. This aircraft had a transponder with mode C readouts, but was not talking to pdx approach. The VFR aircraft was in the class C airspace. If pdx had a class B airspace this near miss could have been possibly avoided, because the VFR aircraft would be required to call us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TCASII RA AND AIRSPACE ENTRY WITHOUT CLRNC IN PDX CLASS C AIRSPACE.
Narrative: WHILE BEING VECTORED FOR VISUAL, CESSNA VFR TFC WAS CALLED OUT AT 4000 FT MSL. WE ADVISED ATC THAT TFC WAS NOT IN SIGHT. HE HELD US UP AT 4500 FT MSL AND TURNED US IN TO PASS BEHIND TFC. WE THEN RECEIVED A TCASII ALERT AND RA TO DSND IMMEDIATELY. AFTER COMPLYING WITH THAT, WE RECEIVED AN ADDITIONAL RA TO MONITOR VERT SPD TO AVOID COMMUTER TFC. WE COMPLIED WITH THAT. ONLY AT LAST MIN DID WE SEE VFR CESSNA TFC, BUT HAD COMMUTER TFC IN SIGHT AT ALL TIMES. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN471156: ACR DSNDING N OF PDX ON DOWNWIND. I CALLED VFR TFC AND STOPPED IT AT 4500 FT. AT THE TIME, THE VFR TFC WAS AT 4000 FT. THE VFR TFC CONTINUED TO CLB NE. THE ACR VERIFIED THAT THE TFC WAS A CORRECT ALT READOUT. THIS ACFT HAD A XPONDER WITH MODE C READOUTS, BUT WAS NOT TALKING TO PDX APCH. THE VFR ACFT WAS IN THE CLASS C AIRSPACE. IF PDX HAD A CLASS B AIRSPACE THIS NEAR MISS COULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLY AVOIDED, BECAUSE THE VFR ACFT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO CALL US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.