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Attributes | |
ACN | 471663 |
Time | |
Date | 200005 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : mem.vortac |
State Reference | TN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mem.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mem.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 420 |
ASRS Report | 471663 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry conflict : airborne critical non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb other other : 3 |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action none taken : insufficient time |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were on vectors, copilot flying, on a 90 degree intercept to final runway 18R mem. Approach asked us if we had our preceding traffic in sight. We said we were unsure. He said it was the 'southern most B727.' we said we had the traffic. He told us to follow him. Neither the copilot nor I heard him say either we were 'cleared approach' or 'cleared visual.' we both were expecting a 45 degree dogleg to final to intercept. At a 90 degree intercept we soon questioned ourselves as to whether we were cleared and decided to turn toward the runway. By now, even in the turn, we were encroaching onto runway 18L fin al approach course. At this point, the final controller told us to turn to an 'east heading' to depart the parallel approach course. We were subsequently vectored to a runway 18L landing. In reviewing the situation afterwards, neither the copilot nor I felt the 'follow that B727' was clearance for the approach and were expecting a further turn onto final for runway 18R. When we realized it wasn't coming, we immediately began a turn, but were then vectored on an easterly heading to deconflict with runway 18L traffic. Neither that traffic nor us had to take evasive action, but I feel it was too close for comfort. Not hearing a 'cleared for approach' or a 'cleared visual for wy 18R' call, we don't believe a 'follow that B727' was clearance for us to turn on course at that point.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B727 CREW INBOUND TO MEM DID NOT COMPLY WITH CTLR'S INSTRUCT TO FOLLOW B727 FOR RWY 18R.
Narrative: WE WERE ON VECTORS, COPLT FLYING, ON A 90 DEG INTERCEPT TO FINAL RWY 18R MEM. APCH ASKED US IF WE HAD OUR PRECEDING TFC IN SIGHT. WE SAID WE WERE UNSURE. HE SAID IT WAS THE 'SOUTHERN MOST B727.' WE SAID WE HAD THE TFC. HE TOLD US TO FOLLOW HIM. NEITHER THE COPLT NOR I HEARD HIM SAY EITHER WE WERE 'CLRED APCH' OR 'CLRED VISUAL.' WE BOTH WERE EXPECTING A 45 DEG DOGLEG TO FINAL TO INTERCEPT. AT A 90 DEG INTERCEPT WE SOON QUESTIONED OURSELVES AS TO WHETHER WE WERE CLRED AND DECIDED TO TURN TOWARD THE RWY. BY NOW, EVEN IN THE TURN, WE WERE ENCROACHING ONTO RWY 18L FIN AL APCH COURSE. AT THIS POINT, THE FINAL CTLR TOLD US TO TURN TO AN 'E HDG' TO DEPART THE PARALLEL APCH COURSE. WE WERE SUBSEQUENTLY VECTORED TO A RWY 18L LNDG. IN REVIEWING THE SIT AFTERWARDS, NEITHER THE COPLT NOR I FELT THE 'FOLLOW THAT B727' WAS CLRNC FOR THE APCH AND WERE EXPECTING A FURTHER TURN ONTO FINAL FOR RWY 18R. WHEN WE REALIZED IT WASN'T COMING, WE IMMEDIATELY BEGAN A TURN, BUT WERE THEN VECTORED ON AN EASTERLY HDG TO DECONFLICT WITH RWY 18L TFC. NEITHER THAT TFC NOR US HAD TO TAKE EVASIVE ACTION, BUT I FEEL IT WAS TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT. NOT HEARING A 'CLRED FOR APCH' OR A 'CLRED VISUAL FOR WY 18R' CALL, WE DON'T BELIEVE A 'FOLLOW THAT B727' WAS CLRNC FOR US TO TURN ON COURSE AT THAT POINT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.