B727 first officer concerned with D10 question of whether crossing restrs were relieved or required.

Attributes
ACN	472040
Time
Date	200005
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : dfw.airport
State Reference	TX
Altitude	msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 24000
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zfw.artcc
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B747 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	arrival star : n/s
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 200
ASRS Report	472040
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued advisory
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Inter Facility Coordination Failure

Narrative:

While approaching dfw, we were told to maintain FL240. Approximately 19 mi from the fix, we were told to cross at 11000 ft, which is published as an expected crossing altitude. We notified ATC we would not be able to comply with the crossing restr. We were then told to descend and maintain 11000 ft by center and were handed off to approach. Approach asked if we were relieved of the altitude and airspeed restr (250 KTS) which was published as expected, but never assigned. We told the controller we were told to descend to 11000 ft. From now on, in order to avoid any possible confusion, I will make it a habit to query the controller on any crossing altitude or airspeed restrs that are published as 'expect' to determine if they are to be assigned or not.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: B727 FO CONCERNED WITH D10 QUESTION OF WHETHER XING RESTRS WERE RELIEVED OR REQUIRED.

Narrative: WHILE APCHING DFW, WE WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN FL240. APPROX 19 MI FROM THE FIX, WE WERE TOLD TO CROSS AT 11000 FT, WHICH IS PUBLISHED AS AN EXPECTED XING ALT. WE NOTIFIED ATC WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THE XING RESTR. WE WERE THEN TOLD TO DSND AND MAINTAIN 11000 FT BY CTR AND WERE HANDED OFF TO APCH. APCH ASKED IF WE WERE RELIEVED OF THE ALT AND AIRSPD RESTR (250 KTS) WHICH WAS PUBLISHED AS EXPECTED, BUT NEVER ASSIGNED. WE TOLD THE CTLR WE WERE TOLD TO DSND TO 11000 FT. FROM NOW ON, IN ORDER TO AVOID ANY POSSIBLE CONFUSION, I WILL MAKE IT A HABIT TO QUERY THE CTLR ON ANY XING ALT OR AIRSPD RESTRS THAT ARE PUBLISHED AS 'EXPECT' TO DETERMINE IF THEY ARE TO BE ASSIGNED OR NOT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.