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Attributes | |
ACN | 472547 |
Time | |
Date | 200005 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ord.tower |
Make Model Name | MU-300 Diamond 1/1A |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 12000 |
ASRS Report | 472547 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
On being cleared to land at ord on runway 09R we were not issued a lahso clearance, just, 'cleared to land runway 09,' we even verified this at 1000 ft AGL because I was unsure of the call. As we were rolling out on runway 09R, between 90 KTS and 80 KTS, which we still consider the high speed regime, we were called by ord tower and asked to turn off on taxiway M6, at the same time we saw a mitsubishi diamond jet cross our runway at txwys. We were between taxiway M5 and taxiway M6 at the time of the call. We were stowing reversers and preparing to make the turn when an regional jet crossed right behind the diamond jet. Upon calling the tower at ord, the tower supervisor said that they, technically couldn't clear us for a lahso operation because there was a 4 KT tailwind. But that the tower controller thought that we would be slowed enough that he could cross the 2 aircraft. I brought up that the diamond jet was on our runway before we had acknowledged being able to make taxiway M6 and that if we had a hydraulic malfunction that the operation could have been a real mess. He technically couldn't give us a lahso clearance due to the tailwind but he did the operation anyway. The runway was legally ours as the landing aircraft and a runway incursion or two was caused by ord tower.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DURING LANDING ROLL, ORD ATCT CTLR INSTRUCTED MLG CREW TO TURN OFF AT TAXIWAY M-6. BEFORE THE CREW COULD ACKNOWLEDGE, TFC WAS OBSERVED AHEAD CROSSING THE RWY.
Narrative: ON BEING CLEARED TO LAND AT ORD ON RWY 09R WE WERE NOT ISSUED A LAHSO CLEARANCE, JUST, 'CLEARED TO LAND RWY 09,' WE EVEN VERIFIED THIS AT 1000 FT AGL BECAUSE I WAS UNSURE OF THE CALL. AS WE WERE ROLLING OUT ON RWY 09R, BETWEEN 90 KTS AND 80 KTS, WHICH WE STILL CONSIDER THE HIGH SPEED REGIME, WE WERE CALLED BY ORD TOWER AND ASKED TO TURN OFF ON TXWY M6, AT THE SAME TIME WE SAW A MITSUBISHI DIAMOND JET CROSS OUR RUNWAY AT TXWYS. WE WERE BETWEEN TXWY M5 AND TXWY M6 AT THE TIME OF THE CALL. WE WERE STOWING REVERSERS AND PREPARING TO MAKE THE TURN WHEN AN REGIONAL JET CROSSED RIGHT BEHIND THE DIAMOND JET. UPON CALLING THE TOWER AT ORD, THE TOWER SUPERVISOR SAID THAT THEY, TECHNICALLY COULDN'T CLEAR US FOR A LAHSO OPERATION BECAUSE THERE WAS A 4 KT TAILWIND. BUT THAT THE TOWER CONTROLLER THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD BE SLOWED ENOUGH THAT HE COULD CROSS THE 2 AIRCRAFT. I BROUGHT UP THAT THE DIAMOND JET WAS ON OUR RWY BEFORE WE HAD ACKNOWLEDGED BEING ABLE TO MAKE TXWY M6 AND THAT IF WE HAD A HYDRAULIC MALFUNCTION THAT THE OPERATION COULD HAVE BEEN A REAL MESS. HE TECHNICALLY COULDN'T GIVE US A LAHSO CLEARANCE DUE TO THE TAILWIND BUT HE DID THE OPERATION ANYWAY. THE RUNWAY WAS LEGALLY OURS AS THE LANDING AIRCRAFT AND A RUNWAY INCURSION OR TWO WAS CAUSED BY ORD TOWER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.