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Attributes | |
ACN | 473524 |
Time | |
Date | 200005 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bur.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 2400 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : bur.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Bonanza 35 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | departure other |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : bur.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cessna 180 Skywagon |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Experience | flight time total : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 473524 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : clearance non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other other other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
While transitioning burbank class C airspace (via the golden state departure to whiteman airport) on may/fri/00, at or around XA00 pm, I was told by the controller to turn left 30 degrees which was done immediately. My aircraft, a bonanza F35, went under a cessna 180, which had departed runway 8 at burbank and had been given a golden state departure north. I called the burbank tower and said I just had a hit with another airplane, when the controller (after talking to another airplane) said '...what did you say?' I repeated 'I just had a hit from another airplane I think its wheel hit the top of my airplane.' the controller answered 'do you want to file an incident report?' this is the last thing I wanted to hear from a controller. I said 'negative sir, I want a frequency change to whiteman.' he replied 'squawk VFR frequency change approved.' when on the runway at whiteman airport I was asked to call burbank tower. I called on my cell phone while taxiing to my hangar. The supervisor at burbank asked if there was damage to my aircraft. I said I would not know until I park the aircraft. There was no damage. But on top of the left wing, 2 ft in from the wingtip was a slight black tire mark 3 inches wide by 5 inches long starting at the leading edge of the wing. I have no idea why I was given a 30 degree left turn into the path of the cessna 180. There was some confusion between the controller and air carrier X who was landing runway 15 had to go around due to another aircraft on the runway. The airliner lined up to land on runway 8, was changed to runway 15. The airliner said 'I don't know where I am what do you want me to do?' controller said 'things are going to hell in a hand-basket around here fast, when you get your...together in the cockpit I'll get back to you.' the airliner was about 400 ft AGL 1-1 1/2 mi ahead and below my aircraft. I was at or about 2400 ft MSL. The airliner went across whiteman airport (I was told below pattern altitude at about 500-600 ft AGL) on base leg to runway 15. To prevent reoccurrence, I think the controllers should maintain positive separation in class C airspace for VFR flts the same as required for IFR. It is difficult to watch for converging aircraft when complying to a vector given to a pilot by a controller. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter said that the golden state departure is used as a routing for both departure from bur and for an arrival route through the bur class C to whiteman airport when coming from the east. What led to this occurrence was apparently the go around commanded by tower to the air carrier jet which was instructed to circle to land on runway 15 because of an aircraft occupying runway 8. The ensuing confusion and communication problems between the air carrier and tower led to a distraction for the controller and he issued a turn to the reporter that was apparently intended for aircraft Y. The pilots of both aircraft X and aircraft Y did not see each other. Aircraft Y was climbing through aircraft X's altitude.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: 2 ACFT COME TOGETHER OVER BUR, CA, WHEN FLYING THE GOLDEN STATE DEP. ONE WAS DEPARTING AND THE OTHER WAS ARRIVING USING THIS RTE TO WHITEMAN ARPT. BOTH UNDER CTL OF TWR IN CLASS C AIRSPACE.
Narrative: WHILE TRANSITIONING BURBANK CLASS C AIRSPACE (VIA THE GOLDEN STATE DEP TO WHITEMAN ARPT) ON MAY/FRI/00, AT OR AROUND XA00 PM, I WAS TOLD BY THE CTLR TO TURN L 30 DEGS WHICH WAS DONE IMMEDIATELY. MY ACFT, A BONANZA F35, WENT UNDER A CESSNA 180, WHICH HAD DEPARTED RWY 8 AT BURBANK AND HAD BEEN GIVEN A GOLDEN STATE DEP N. I CALLED THE BURBANK TWR AND SAID I JUST HAD A HIT WITH ANOTHER AIRPLANE, WHEN THE CTLR (AFTER TALKING TO ANOTHER AIRPLANE) SAID '...WHAT DID YOU SAY?' I REPEATED 'I JUST HAD A HIT FROM ANOTHER AIRPLANE I THINK ITS WHEEL HIT THE TOP OF MY AIRPLANE.' THE CTLR ANSWERED 'DO YOU WANT TO FILE AN INCIDENT RPT?' THIS IS THE LAST THING I WANTED TO HEAR FROM A CTLR. I SAID 'NEGATIVE SIR, I WANT A FREQ CHANGE TO WHITEMAN.' HE REPLIED 'SQUAWK VFR FREQ CHANGE APPROVED.' WHEN ON THE RWY AT WHITEMAN ARPT I WAS ASKED TO CALL BURBANK TWR. I CALLED ON MY CELL PHONE WHILE TAXIING TO MY HANGAR. THE SUPVR AT BURBANK ASKED IF THERE WAS DAMAGE TO MY ACFT. I SAID I WOULD NOT KNOW UNTIL I PARK THE ACFT. THERE WAS NO DAMAGE. BUT ON TOP OF THE L WING, 2 FT IN FROM THE WINGTIP WAS A SLIGHT BLACK TIRE MARK 3 INCHES WIDE BY 5 INCHES LONG STARTING AT THE LEADING EDGE OF THE WING. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY I WAS GIVEN A 30 DEG L TURN INTO THE PATH OF THE CESSNA 180. THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION BTWN THE CTLR AND ACR X WHO WAS LNDG RWY 15 HAD TO GO AROUND DUE TO ANOTHER ACFT ON THE RWY. THE AIRLINER LINED UP TO LAND ON RWY 8, WAS CHANGED TO RWY 15. THE AIRLINER SAID 'I DON'T KNOW WHERE I AM WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO?' CTLR SAID 'THINGS ARE GOING TO HELL IN A HAND-BASKET AROUND HERE FAST, WHEN YOU GET YOUR...TOGETHER IN THE COCKPIT I'LL GET BACK TO YOU.' THE AIRLINER WAS ABOUT 400 FT AGL 1-1 1/2 MI AHEAD AND BELOW MY ACFT. I WAS AT OR ABOUT 2400 FT MSL. THE AIRLINER WENT ACROSS WHITEMAN ARPT (I WAS TOLD BELOW PATTERN ALT AT ABOUT 500-600 FT AGL) ON BASE LEG TO RWY 15. TO PREVENT REOCCURRENCE, I THINK THE CTLRS SHOULD MAINTAIN POSITIVE SEPARATION IN CLASS C AIRSPACE FOR VFR FLTS THE SAME AS REQUIRED FOR IFR. IT IS DIFFICULT TO WATCH FOR CONVERGING ACFT WHEN COMPLYING TO A VECTOR GIVEN TO A PLT BY A CTLR. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR SAID THAT THE GOLDEN STATE DEP IS USED AS A ROUTING FOR BOTH DEP FROM BUR AND FOR AN ARR RTE THROUGH THE BUR CLASS C TO WHITEMAN ARPT WHEN COMING FROM THE E. WHAT LED TO THIS OCCURRENCE WAS APPARENTLY THE GAR COMMANDED BY TWR TO THE ACR JET WHICH WAS INSTRUCTED TO CIRCLE TO LAND ON RWY 15 BECAUSE OF AN ACFT OCCUPYING RWY 8. THE ENSUING CONFUSION AND COM PROBS BTWN THE ACR AND TWR LED TO A DISTR FOR THE CTLR AND HE ISSUED A TURN TO THE RPTR THAT WAS APPARENTLY INTENDED FOR ACFT Y. THE PLTS OF BOTH ACFT X AND ACFT Y DID NOT SEE EACH OTHER. ACFT Y WAS CLBING THROUGH ACFT X'S ALT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.