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Attributes | |
ACN | 473911 |
Time | |
Date | 200005 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : iad.airport |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl single value : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : iad.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : roll |
Route In Use | approach : contact |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 473911 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Arriving iad, wind 200 degrees at 8 KTS, 6 mi. RA, cumulo nimbus in area. Runway wet. Landing runway 1L/right. Aircraft weight 15200 pounds. Maximum allowable tailwind per performance manual was 9 KTS. A 1 KT margin deemed unacceptable due to convective activity in area. Advised approach. Operationally required runway 19L/right or runway 12 due to excessive tailwind. Request repeatedly denied. We were told 30 aircraft waiting for takeoff. Found out later that actual number was more like 2. Forced to hold at csn to reduce weight (3000 pounds) and hope winds would subside. Spoke to ATC supervisor after landing. He stated that north operation was due to forecast wind 360 degrees at 10 KTS. This forecast had been inaccurate all afternoon but iad continued to land north. He showed little understanding of increased demands of tailwind on transport aircraft. He was not at all interested in the physics involved under those conditions. Only interested in what was most expedient for ATC without any regard to decreased safety could not explain why number of departing aircraft had been so grossly exaggerated to us. To force aircraft to land with tailwind based on a forecast that had been long proven to be flawed does not make sense. It is ridiculous to force aircraft right to performance limits of aircraft because ATC does not want to be burdened with changing landing direction. Follow-up of WX observations for day show that those 360 degree/10 KT winds never did materialize. I am very disturbed by the indifference displayed by our phone conversation. Also, very disturbed by the fact that confronted with the fact that we had deemed ourselves to operationally require another landing option, ATC was too entrenched in their world to understand the operational needs of ours.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF A B727 COMPLAINS THAT HE HAD TO LAND WITH A TAILWIND DUE TO TWR CTLR NOT CHANGING LNDG RWY INTO THE WIND.
Narrative: ARRIVING IAD, WIND 200 DEGS AT 8 KTS, 6 MI. RA, CUMULO NIMBUS IN AREA. RWY WET. LNDG RWY 1L/R. ACFT WT 15200 LBS. MAX ALLOWABLE TAILWIND PER PERFORMANCE MANUAL WAS 9 KTS. A 1 KT MARGIN DEEMED UNACCEPTABLE DUE TO CONVECTIVE ACTIVITY IN AREA. ADVISED APCH. OPERATIONALLY REQUIRED RWY 19L/R OR RWY 12 DUE TO EXCESSIVE TAILWIND. REQUEST REPEATEDLY DENIED. WE WERE TOLD 30 ACFT WAITING FOR TKOF. FOUND OUT LATER THAT ACTUAL NUMBER WAS MORE LIKE 2. FORCED TO HOLD AT CSN TO REDUCE WT (3000 LBS) AND HOPE WINDS WOULD SUBSIDE. SPOKE TO ATC SUPVR AFTER LNDG. HE STATED THAT N OP WAS DUE TO FORECAST WIND 360 DEGS AT 10 KTS. THIS FORECAST HAD BEEN INACCURATE ALL AFTERNOON BUT IAD CONTINUED TO LAND N. HE SHOWED LITTLE UNDERSTANDING OF INCREASED DEMANDS OF TAILWIND ON TRANSPORT ACFT. HE WAS NOT AT ALL INTERESTED IN THE PHYSICS INVOLVED UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS. ONLY INTERESTED IN WHAT WAS MOST EXPEDIENT FOR ATC WITHOUT ANY REGARD TO DECREASED SAFETY COULD NOT EXPLAIN WHY NUMBER OF DEPARTING ACFT HAD BEEN SO GROSSLY EXAGGERATED TO US. TO FORCE ACFT TO LAND WITH TAILWIND BASED ON A FORECAST THAT HAD BEEN LONG PROVEN TO BE FLAWED DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. IT IS RIDICULOUS TO FORCE ACFT RIGHT TO PERFORMANCE LIMITS OF ACFT BECAUSE ATC DOES NOT WANT TO BE BURDENED WITH CHANGING LNDG DIRECTION. FOLLOW-UP OF WX OBSERVATIONS FOR DAY SHOW THAT THOSE 360 DEG/10 KT WINDS NEVER DID MATERIALIZE. I AM VERY DISTURBED BY THE INDIFFERENCE DISPLAYED BY OUR PHONE CONVERSATION. ALSO, VERY DISTURBED BY THE FACT THAT CONFRONTED WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAD DEEMED OURSELVES TO OPERATIONALLY REQUIRE ANOTHER LNDG OPTION, ATC WAS TOO ENTRENCHED IN THEIR WORLD TO UNDERSTAND THE OPERATIONAL NEEDS OF OURS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.