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A flight crew is questioned as to whether they have the SID charts for the sfo departure procedure after the crew asks ATC if they were to still fly the assigned SID and vector after departure. Controller had amended their altitude clearance 3 times and tried to place them on a closed runway to hold for takeoff 2 times at sfo, ca.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 475873 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200006 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : sfo.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : position and hold |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 500 |
| ASRS Report | 475873 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Airport ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
During taxi out for takeoff, our departure clearance altitude was changed 3 times. 'Twice' tower attempted to clear us onto a runway to hold for takeoff that was 'closed' -- both on the ATIS and it had a large 'X' parked on the runway. When we questioned which SID he wanted us to fly, and did he still want the turn to 030 degrees, the tower controller acted as if we did not have a copy of the SID. Since we had been given 3 different departure altitudes, and '2' attempts to clear us into position to hold on a 'closed' runway, I thought it reasonable to clarify which SID we should be flying.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A FLC IS QUESTIONED AS TO WHETHER THEY HAVE THE SID CHARTS FOR THE SFO DEP PROC AFTER THE CREW ASKS ATC IF THEY WERE TO STILL FLY THE ASSIGNED SID AND VECTOR AFTER DEP. CTLR HAD AMENDED THEIR ALT CLRNC 3 TIMES AND TRIED TO PLACE THEM ON A CLOSED RWY TO HOLD FOR TKOF 2 TIMES AT SFO, CA.
Narrative: DURING TAXI OUT FOR TKOF, OUR DEP CLRNC ALT WAS CHANGED 3 TIMES. 'TWICE' TWR ATTEMPTED TO CLR US ONTO A RWY TO HOLD FOR TKOF THAT WAS 'CLOSED' -- BOTH ON THE ATIS AND IT HAD A LARGE 'X' PARKED ON THE RWY. WHEN WE QUESTIONED WHICH SID HE WANTED US TO FLY, AND DID HE STILL WANT THE TURN TO 030 DEGS, THE TWR CTLR ACTED AS IF WE DID NOT HAVE A COPY OF THE SID. SINCE WE HAD BEEN GIVEN 3 DIFFERENT DEP ALTS, AND '2' ATTEMPTS TO CLR US INTO POS TO HOLD ON A 'CLOSED' RWY, I THOUGHT IT REASONABLE TO CLARIFY WHICH SID WE SHOULD BE FLYING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.