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Attributes | |
ACN | 476164 |
Time | |
Date | 200006 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
State Reference | SD |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 41000 msl bound upper : 45000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv.artcc tower : bjc.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | IAI1125 (Astra) |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : level cruise : enroute altitude change |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 280 |
ASRS Report | 476164 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : regained aircraft control other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather Aircraft FAA Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During cruise at FL450 en route from eugene, or, to south bend, in, in convective activity, a descent to FL410 was initiated due to an increased deck angle, decreased airspeed, and substantial depreciation in performance indicated by the angle of attack and was followed by a very noticeable tail buffet. This was due to an aggressive downdraft at the time, not a mechanical which was suggested to the NTSB by ATC. I felt a stall could happen with little or not notice due to the flight conditions we were experiencing. We requested a descent to a lower atl 3 times from ATC. The first time ATC told us to stand by. In the second attempt we told ATC we were experiencing tail buffet, and needed lower immediately. ATC told us again to stand by and they would try and coordinate it first. Due to my situation worsening, and after seeing no conflicting traffic on the TCASII, I felt I had no other choice but to advise ATC I was descending out of FL450 for lower. ATC then immediately cleared us to FL410. I did what I had to do because ATC was so obtuse to a growing critical situation. It takes a coordinated effort between ATC and the aircraft they control to keep traffic moving safely. After all, safety is paramount. Our environment can be very hostile and most unforgiving if necessary attention is not given to detail.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ASTRA CREW WAS OPERATING THE ACFT TOO HIGH FOR PROPER BUFFET MARGIN.
Narrative: DURING CRUISE AT FL450 ENRTE FROM EUGENE, OR, TO SOUTH BEND, IN, IN CONVECTIVE ACTIVITY, A DSCNT TO FL410 WAS INITIATED DUE TO AN INCREASED DECK ANGLE, DECREASED AIRSPD, AND SUBSTANTIAL DEPRECIATION IN PERFORMANCE INDICATED BY THE ANGLE OF ATTACK AND WAS FOLLOWED BY A VERY NOTICEABLE TAIL BUFFET. THIS WAS DUE TO AN AGGRESSIVE DOWNDRAFT AT THE TIME, NOT A MECHANICAL WHICH WAS SUGGESTED TO THE NTSB BY ATC. I FELT A STALL COULD HAPPEN WITH LITTLE OR NOT NOTICE DUE TO THE FLT CONDITIONS WE WERE EXPERIENCING. WE REQUESTED A DSCNT TO A LOWER ATL 3 TIMES FROM ATC. THE FIRST TIME ATC TOLD US TO STAND BY. IN THE SECOND ATTEMPT WE TOLD ATC WE WERE EXPERIENCING TAIL BUFFET, AND NEEDED LOWER IMMEDIATELY. ATC TOLD US AGAIN TO STAND BY AND THEY WOULD TRY AND COORDINATE IT FIRST. DUE TO MY SIT WORSENING, AND AFTER SEEING NO CONFLICTING TFC ON THE TCASII, I FELT I HAD NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO ADVISE ATC I WAS DSNDING OUT OF FL450 FOR LOWER. ATC THEN IMMEDIATELY CLRED US TO FL410. I DID WHAT I HAD TO DO BECAUSE ATC WAS SO OBTUSE TO A GROWING CRITICAL SIT. IT TAKES A COORDINATED EFFORT BTWN ATC AND THE ACFT THEY CTL TO KEEP TFC MOVING SAFELY. AFTER ALL, SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT. OUR ENVIRONMENT CAN BE VERY HOSTILE AND MOST UNFORGIVING IF NECESSARY ATTN IS NOT GIVEN TO DETAIL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.