PA32 instructor and trainee had runway incursion at jxn.

Attributes
ACN	476250
Time
Date	200006
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : jxn.airport
State Reference	MI
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	PA-32 Cherokee Six/Lance/Saratoga
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : private
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 352 flight time type : 190
ASRS Report	476250
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	controller : issued alert controller : issued new clearance none taken : detected after the fact
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

I was on an instrument training flight. After we received our clearance, both myself and my instructor asked each other if tower cleared us for takeoff. We agreed, crossed the line, realized we had not been cleared, turned 180 degrees. Tower radioed we were not cleared. We said we knew it and were in 180 degree turn back around to get cleared for takeoff. There was no traffic on frequency or in pattern or anywhere near the airport. We were not on the runway.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: PA32 INSTRUCTOR AND TRAINEE HAD RWY INCURSION AT JXN.

Narrative: I WAS ON AN INST TRAINING FLT. AFTER WE RECEIVED OUR CLRNC, BOTH MYSELF AND MY INSTRUCTOR ASKED EACH OTHER IF TWR CLRED US FOR TKOF. WE AGREED, CROSSED THE LINE, REALIZED WE HAD NOT BEEN CLRED, TURNED 180 DEGS. TWR RADIOED WE WERE NOT CLRED. WE SAID WE KNEW IT AND WERE IN 180 DEG TURN BACK AROUND TO GET CLRED FOR TKOF. THERE WAS NO TFC ON FREQ OR IN PATTERN OR ANYWHERE NEAR THE ARPT. WE WERE NOT ON THE RWY.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.