PA28 instructor and trainee had runway incursion at dxr.

Attributes
ACN	489854
Time
Date	200010
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : dxr.airport
State Reference	CT
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : dxr.tower tower : cle.tower
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 1000 flight time type : 50
ASRS Report	489854
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : student
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance none taken : detected after the fact
Supplementary
Problem Areas	FAA Airport Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation
Situations
Airport	markings : dxr.airport

Narrative:

Training flight to dxr. After uneventful landing and refueling, we taxied for takeoff to runway 26. Neither I nor the student had ever been to danbury before. We were told by ground to runup on an apron near the end of the runway, which was behind taxiway. After the runup, we went to taxi up to the runway. Unknown to us and inconspicuously placed was the runway hold short line, placed at the end of the ramp. The hold short line may have been unintentionally crossed about 1-2 seconds before the tower cleared us to take off. I point out that there was no conflict with other aircraft. In my opinion, the hold short line for danbury's runway 26 full length is unreasonably far from where most pilots would expect it to be. A sign should be placed expressly advising transient, unfamiliar pilots to hold short inside of the runup apron.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: PA28 INSTRUCTOR AND TRAINEE HAD RWY INCURSION AT DXR.

Narrative: TRAINING FLT TO DXR. AFTER UNEVENTFUL LNDG AND REFUELING, WE TAXIED FOR TKOF TO RWY 26. NEITHER I NOR THE STUDENT HAD EVER BEEN TO DANBURY BEFORE. WE WERE TOLD BY GND TO RUNUP ON AN APRON NEAR THE END OF THE RWY, WHICH WAS BEHIND TXWY. AFTER THE RUNUP, WE WENT TO TAXI UP TO THE RWY. UNKNOWN TO US AND INCONSPICUOUSLY PLACED WAS THE RWY HOLD SHORT LINE, PLACED AT THE END OF THE RAMP. THE HOLD SHORT LINE MAY HAVE BEEN UNINTENTIONALLY CROSSED ABOUT 1-2 SECONDS BEFORE THE TWR CLRED US TO TAKE OFF. I POINT OUT THAT THERE WAS NO CONFLICT WITH OTHER ACFT. IN MY OPINION, THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR DANBURY'S RWY 26 FULL LENGTH IS UNREASONABLY FAR FROM WHERE MOST PLTS WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE. A SIGN SHOULD BE PLACED EXPRESSLY ADVISING TRANSIENT, UNFAMILIAR PLTS TO HOLD SHORT INSIDE OF THE RUNUP APRON.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.