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Attributes | |
ACN | 477740 |
Time | |
Date | 200006 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : hnl.airport |
State Reference | HI |
Altitude | msl single value : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : hnl.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : hnl.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 188 flight time total : 2472 flight time type : 680 |
ASRS Report | 477740 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 100 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
We were told to maintain 4000 ft and look for traffic at our 9 O'clock position approximately 4-5 mi away also at 4000 ft, a B737. With the traffic in sight and airport in sight we requested a visual approach for runway 8L. We thought we'd be cleared for the visual behind the B737 because of our reduced airspeed. Approach told us to maintain 4000 ft because of a GA aircraft (or a light twin?) doing approachs on runway 4R. At this time I also noticed the lack of movement between our aircraft and the B737, which must have meant that it was speed restr to about 170 KTS as well. Our approximate vector at this time was 310 degree heading. About 6 or 7 DME, approach gave us a 270 degree heading for sequencing, which took our aircraft on a converging course with the B737. Shortly before our heading assignment, the B737 said it had the airport in sight and approach assigned that aircraft a visual approach for runway 8L. Approach told the B737 to maintain visual separation with our aircraft and they said they had us in sight. I noticed the aircraft began turning toward us, but was still at 4000 ft (looking at their target on the TCASII). My first officer was flying at the time and I advised him that I was watching the conflicting traffic. As the aircraft began a descent, we got a 'traffic, traffic' advisory on our TCASII and soon after an RA that told us to climb. I had been watching the B737 the whole time and realized the traffic was no factor for us and told my first officer to maintain 4000 ft. The loss of separation as the aircraft passed below us was about 200-300 ft. We were soon after cleared for the visual approach behind the B737 and landed uneventfully.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LOSS OF SEPARATION ON APCH TO HNL, HI. TCASII RA IGNORED.
Narrative: WE WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN 4000 FT AND LOOK FOR TFC AT OUR 9 O'CLOCK POS APPROX 4-5 MI AWAY ALSO AT 4000 FT, A B737. WITH THE TFC IN SIGHT AND ARPT IN SIGHT WE REQUESTED A VISUAL APCH FOR RWY 8L. WE THOUGHT WE'D BE CLRED FOR THE VISUAL BEHIND THE B737 BECAUSE OF OUR REDUCED AIRSPD. APCH TOLD US TO MAINTAIN 4000 FT BECAUSE OF A GA ACFT (OR A LIGHT TWIN?) DOING APCHS ON RWY 4R. AT THIS TIME I ALSO NOTICED THE LACK OF MOVEMENT BTWN OUR ACFT AND THE B737, WHICH MUST HAVE MEANT THAT IT WAS SPD RESTR TO ABOUT 170 KTS AS WELL. OUR APPROXIMATE VECTOR AT THIS TIME WAS 310 DEG HDG. ABOUT 6 OR 7 DME, APCH GAVE US A 270 DEG HDG FOR SEQUENCING, WHICH TOOK OUR ACFT ON A CONVERGING COURSE WITH THE B737. SHORTLY BEFORE OUR HEADING ASSIGNMENT, THE B737 SAID IT HAD THE ARPT IN SIGHT AND APCH ASSIGNED THAT ACFT A VISUAL APCH FOR RWY 8L. APCH TOLD THE B737 TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION WITH OUR ACFT AND THEY SAID THEY HAD US IN SIGHT. I NOTICED THE ACFT BEGAN TURNING TOWARD US, BUT WAS STILL AT 4000 FT (LOOKING AT THEIR TARGET ON THE TCASII). MY FO WAS FLYING AT THE TIME AND I ADVISED HIM THAT I WAS WATCHING THE CONFLICTING TFC. AS THE ACFT BEGAN A DSCNT, WE GOT A 'TFC, TFC' ADVISORY ON OUR TCASII AND SOON AFTER AN RA THAT TOLD US TO CLB. I HAD BEEN WATCHING THE B737 THE WHOLE TIME AND REALIZED THE TFC WAS NO FACTOR FOR US AND TOLD MY FO TO MAINTAIN 4000 FT. THE LOSS OF SEPARATION AS THE ACFT PASSED BELOW US WAS ABOUT 200-300 FT. WE WERE SOON AFTER CLRED FOR THE VISUAL APCH BEHIND THE B737 AND LANDED UNEVENTFULLY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.