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Attributes | |
ACN | 478135 |
Time | |
Date | 200006 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl single value : 4500 |
Environment | |
Weather Elements | Rain |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Fokker 100 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 478135 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Weather ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Departed runway 18L dfw. Contacted departure control and flew 185 degree heading until passing 4500 ft MSL, then a 260 degree heading. There was a rather heavy area of precipitation to the wnw of fuz VORTAC. As the first officer and I were contemplating our next move, an air carrier requested deviation around WX. The controller replied in a very sarcastic tone that no one else seemed to need to deviation 'but if you feel you have to, I guess it would be ok.' he then asked another aircraft if they had received the clearance he had given them, and the flight replied 'affirmative, we acknowledged you.' the controller said 'no you didn't,' or 'I didn't hear you.' at this time we were within 5 mi of the WX we were heading towards. I asked the controller for a turn to the northeast. 'Unable' was all we heard. I told him that the WX to our wnw was heavy enough that I didn't want to go through it. He said that the rides through that area were reported as not bad. I told him 'I don't care what everybody else is doing, I don't want to go through it.' his response was 'fine, then do what you want.' we turned to about a 030 degree heading and told the controller that we would intercept the fuz 022 degree radial and proceed with the departure. I guess the point to all of this is, why was the controller so short with not only our flight but several others? And if he was unable to let us deviation to the northeast, then why the 'do whatever you want' clearance? -- If you can call it that. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter believes this incident was abnormal. He wonders why the unnecessary challenge for WX deviation though. He plans to address future incidents at a higher corporate level.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: F100 FLC CONCERNED WITH D10 CTLR BEHAVIOR TRYING TO AVOID WX.
Narrative: DEPARTED RWY 18L DFW. CONTACTED DEP CTL AND FLEW 185 DEG HDG UNTIL PASSING 4500 FT MSL, THEN A 260 DEG HDG. THERE WAS A RATHER HVY AREA OF PRECIP TO THE WNW OF FUZ VORTAC. AS THE FO AND I WERE CONTEMPLATING OUR NEXT MOVE, AN ACR REQUESTED DEV AROUND WX. THE CTLR REPLIED IN A VERY SARCASTIC TONE THAT NO ONE ELSE SEEMED TO NEED TO DEV 'BUT IF YOU FEEL YOU HAVE TO, I GUESS IT WOULD BE OK.' HE THEN ASKED ANOTHER ACFT IF THEY HAD RECEIVED THE CLRNC HE HAD GIVEN THEM, AND THE FLT REPLIED 'AFFIRMATIVE, WE ACKNOWLEDGED YOU.' THE CTLR SAID 'NO YOU DIDN'T,' OR 'I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.' AT THIS TIME WE WERE WITHIN 5 MI OF THE WX WE WERE HEADING TOWARDS. I ASKED THE CTLR FOR A TURN TO THE NE. 'UNABLE' WAS ALL WE HEARD. I TOLD HIM THAT THE WX TO OUR WNW WAS HVY ENOUGH THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO GO THROUGH IT. HE SAID THAT THE RIDES THROUGH THAT AREA WERE RPTED AS NOT BAD. I TOLD HIM 'I DON'T CARE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING, I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH IT.' HIS RESPONSE WAS 'FINE, THEN DO WHAT YOU WANT.' WE TURNED TO ABOUT A 030 DEG HDG AND TOLD THE CTLR THAT WE WOULD INTERCEPT THE FUZ 022 DEG RADIAL AND PROCEED WITH THE DEP. I GUESS THE POINT TO ALL OF THIS IS, WHY WAS THE CTLR SO SHORT WITH NOT ONLY OUR FLT BUT SEVERAL OTHERS? AND IF HE WAS UNABLE TO LET US DEV TO THE NE, THEN WHY THE 'DO WHATEVER YOU WANT' CLRNC? -- IF YOU CAN CALL IT THAT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR BELIEVES THIS INCIDENT WAS ABNORMAL. HE WONDERS WHY THE UNNECESSARY CHALLENGE FOR WX DEV THOUGH. HE PLANS TO ADDRESS FUTURE INCIDENTS AT A HIGHER CORPORATE LEVEL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.