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Commuter pilot offered VFR approach to ewr only to find when on tower he was expected to accept a lahso instruction. This was not possible because of company policy regarding lack of PAPI installation on runway in use.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 479250 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200007 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ewr.airport |
| State Reference | NS |
| Altitude | msl single value : 2000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon tower : ewr.tower tower : mcn.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Beech 1900 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | arrival : vfr |
| Flight Plan | IFR Combined VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 5300 flight time type : 4200 |
| ASRS Report | 479250 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | FAA ATC Facility ATC Human Performance Company |
| Primary Problem | Airport |
Narrative:
We were advised by ATC that VFR arrs were being accepted down the hudson river into ewr. Once we were in the class B airspace, we canceled our IFR flight plan and proceeded VFR down the river. After being handed off to ewr tower, we were given landing clearance on runway 11 to hold short of runway 4R. Because there is no PAPI on runway 11, our FAA office does not allow lahso's in ewr. Once we declined the lahso clearance, tower had to 'sneak' us in between 2 IFR arrs to runway 4R. Upon landing, we were advised to call the tower. Tower said not to come in VFR unless a lahso can be accepted. The problem with VFR arrs down the hudson is there is no way to tell the tower in advance that a lahso is not possible, and therefore, I will discontinue VFR arrs into ewr. Also, if ewr would install a PAPI on runway 11 we could accept lahso's.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: COMMUTER PLT OFFERED VFR APCH TO EWR ONLY TO FIND WHEN ON TWR HE WAS EXPECTED TO ACCEPT A LAHSO INSTRUCTION. THIS WAS NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF COMPANY POLICY REGARDING LACK OF PAPI INSTALLATION ON RWY IN USE.
Narrative: WE WERE ADVISED BY ATC THAT VFR ARRS WERE BEING ACCEPTED DOWN THE HUDSON RIVER INTO EWR. ONCE WE WERE IN THE CLASS B AIRSPACE, WE CANCELED OUR IFR FLT PLAN AND PROCEEDED VFR DOWN THE RIVER. AFTER BEING HANDED OFF TO EWR TWR, WE WERE GIVEN LNDG CLRNC ON RWY 11 TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 4R. BECAUSE THERE IS NO PAPI ON RWY 11, OUR FAA OFFICE DOES NOT ALLOW LAHSO'S IN EWR. ONCE WE DECLINED THE LAHSO CLRNC, TWR HAD TO 'SNEAK' US IN BTWN 2 IFR ARRS TO RWY 4R. UPON LNDG, WE WERE ADVISED TO CALL THE TWR. TWR SAID NOT TO COME IN VFR UNLESS A LAHSO CAN BE ACCEPTED. THE PROB WITH VFR ARRS DOWN THE HUDSON IS THERE IS NO WAY TO TELL THE TWR IN ADVANCE THAT A LAHSO IS NOT POSSIBLE, AND THEREFORE, I WILL DISCONTINUE VFR ARRS INTO EWR. ALSO, IF EWR WOULD INSTALL A PAPI ON RWY 11 WE COULD ACCEPT LAHSO'S.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.