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Attributes | |
ACN | 480497 |
Time | |
Date | 200007 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pvd.airport |
State Reference | RI |
Altitude | msl single value : 15000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zbw.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zbw.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 425 |
ASRS Report | 480497 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : clearance non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 850 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
On climb with ZBW we were cleared to climb and maintain 15000 ft. In climb at approximately 12000-13000 ft, we were asked by ZBW if we had an air carrier X, an MD80, in sight at 3 O'clock position, 16000 ft and 5(?) mi. We searched for and spotted the MD80. We told ZBW we had the MD80 in sight. ZBW then cleared us to climb to FL350 while maintaining separation from the MD80. We accepted the clearance while watching the MD80. The first officer was flying the aircraft while I watched the MD80 xcockpit through the first officer's side window. It appeared the MD80 would converge with our flight path but slightly behind us. Just as I was about to tell first officer to level at 15000 ft, we received a TCASII TA, followed almost immediately by an RA. The RA directed us not to climb. I told first officer to level off and he did at approximately 15100-15200 ft. (I do not know if air carrier X MD80 received an RA or not.) I will not accept a visual climb again unless I am certain -- both visually and from ATC -- that possible traffic conflicts are actually diverging from our flight path. In this case we were watching the other aircraft and leveled off and were arrested by TCASII. However, I do not want to rely upon visual judgement and TCASII again at the speeds we are traveling in climb and cruise!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AFTER ACCEPTING A CLB CLRNC TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION WITH CONFLICTING TFC, AN ACR FLIES A TCASII RA.
Narrative: ON CLB WITH ZBW WE WERE CLRED TO CLB AND MAINTAIN 15000 FT. IN CLB AT APPROX 12000-13000 FT, WE WERE ASKED BY ZBW IF WE HAD AN ACR X, AN MD80, IN SIGHT AT 3 O'CLOCK POS, 16000 FT AND 5(?) MI. WE SEARCHED FOR AND SPOTTED THE MD80. WE TOLD ZBW WE HAD THE MD80 IN SIGHT. ZBW THEN CLRED US TO CLB TO FL350 WHILE MAINTAINING SEPARATION FROM THE MD80. WE ACCEPTED THE CLRNC WHILE WATCHING THE MD80. THE FO WAS FLYING THE ACFT WHILE I WATCHED THE MD80 XCOCKPIT THROUGH THE FO'S SIDE WINDOW. IT APPEARED THE MD80 WOULD CONVERGE WITH OUR FLT PATH BUT SLIGHTLY BEHIND US. JUST AS I WAS ABOUT TO TELL FO TO LEVEL AT 15000 FT, WE RECEIVED A TCASII TA, FOLLOWED ALMOST IMMEDIATELY BY AN RA. THE RA DIRECTED US NOT TO CLB. I TOLD FO TO LEVEL OFF AND HE DID AT APPROX 15100-15200 FT. (I DO NOT KNOW IF ACR X MD80 RECEIVED AN RA OR NOT.) I WILL NOT ACCEPT A VISUAL CLB AGAIN UNLESS I AM CERTAIN -- BOTH VISUALLY AND FROM ATC -- THAT POSSIBLE TFC CONFLICTS ARE ACTUALLY DIVERGING FROM OUR FLT PATH. IN THIS CASE WE WERE WATCHING THE OTHER ACFT AND LEVELED OFF AND WERE ARRESTED BY TCASII. HOWEVER, I DO NOT WANT TO RELY UPON VISUAL JUDGEMENT AND TCASII AGAIN AT THE SPDS WE ARE TRAVELING IN CLB AND CRUISE!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.