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Beech bonanza pilot complained to the flight crew of an air carrier beech 1900 that they were not located where they announced over unicom during traffic pattern entrance and that their airspeed was too high.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 485630 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200009 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : cvn.airport |
| State Reference | NM |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 4000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Beech 1900 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 119 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude descent : vacating altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Bonanza 35 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | arrival : vfr |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 1800 flight time type : 1300 |
| ASRS Report | 485630 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
With cvn in sight, cannon approach cleared us for a visual. Currently 10 mi southeast and monitoring unicom. At 5 mi east of cvn, cannon approach cleared us to switch to unicom. We reported 5 mi east of cvn and our intentions first officer entering a left downwind for runway 12. A bonanza reported same location. According to our TCASII, he was actually 10 mi downwind for runway 12. The bonanza pilot insisted we were not on a left downwind and was going to fast. We replied we were on a left downwind and well under the speed limit for that airspace. He continued to argue over CTAF that we were breaking rules. At such a critical phase of flight we did not engage back in the argument. Our next call was left base for runway 12. The bonanza pilot continued to argue. Our next call was a 1 mi final for runway 12. The bonanza pilot then called a left base for runway 12. We landed, taxied, clear of all runways with no incident. Supplemental information from acn 485634: the bonanza pilot was still berating us over CTAF. We landed and taxied clear of all runways. We canceled our IFR flight plan and boarded passenger with no incident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BEECH BONANZA PLT COMPLAINED TO THE FLC OF AN ACR BEECH 1900 THAT THEY WERE NOT LOCATED WHERE THEY ANNOUNCED OVER UNICOM DURING TFC PATTERN ENTRANCE AND THAT THEIR AIRSPD WAS TOO HIGH.
Narrative: WITH CVN IN SIGHT, CANNON APCH CLRED US FOR A VISUAL. CURRENTLY 10 MI SE AND MONITORING UNICOM. AT 5 MI E OF CVN, CANNON APCH CLRED US TO SWITCH TO UNICOM. WE RPTED 5 MI E OF CVN AND OUR INTENTIONS FO ENTERING A L DOWNWIND FOR RWY 12. A BONANZA RPTED SAME LOCATION. ACCORDING TO OUR TCASII, HE WAS ACTUALLY 10 MI DOWNWIND FOR RWY 12. THE BONANZA PLT INSISTED WE WERE NOT ON A L DOWNWIND AND WAS GOING TO FAST. WE REPLIED WE WERE ON A L DOWNWIND AND WELL UNDER THE SPD LIMIT FOR THAT AIRSPACE. HE CONTINUED TO ARGUE OVER CTAF THAT WE WERE BREAKING RULES. AT SUCH A CRITICAL PHASE OF FLT WE DID NOT ENGAGE BACK IN THE ARGUMENT. OUR NEXT CALL WAS L BASE FOR RWY 12. THE BONANZA PLT CONTINUED TO ARGUE. OUR NEXT CALL WAS A 1 MI FINAL FOR RWY 12. THE BONANZA PLT THEN CALLED A L BASE FOR RWY 12. WE LANDED, TAXIED, CLR OF ALL RWYS WITH NO INCIDENT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 485634: THE BONANZA PLT WAS STILL BERATING US OVER CTAF. WE LANDED AND TAXIED CLR OF ALL RWYS. WE CANCELED OUR IFR FLT PLAN AND BOARDED PAX WITH NO INCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.