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Attributes | |
ACN | 485768 |
Time | |
Date | 200009 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : stl.airport |
State Reference | MO |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Jetstream 32 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 119 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : stl.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-82 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 2100 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 485768 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 110 flight time total : 2557 flight time type : 110 |
ASRS Report | 485791 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : separated traffic none taken : unable |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
The controller gave us several heading changes, and asked us if we had the airport and a B757 inbound runway 12R in sight. We acknowledged both the airport and the jet in sight, upon which she cleared us for the visual approach runway 12L. Approximately 1000 ft to 700 ft AGL, she told us to then expect runway 13 instead. A few seconds later, we were cleared to land on runway 13. I did not have time to brief my first officer on which taxiway we would use to exit the runway. Upon landing, I applied the brakes, and as we were approaching the taxiway north, she told us to 'take the high speed off the runway.' the statement confused me, as there is no high speed taxiway off runway 13. As I was passing taxiway north, the controller said 'I'm sorry, what I meant was, take taxiway, north, you can make a 180 degree turn if you want.' the last few words of her clearance though, I was not able to distinguish, as I was adding some differential power to turn the airplane around. My first officer quickly responded to her clearance, yet I could only hear him very faintly as he was holding in the push-to-talk microphone switch. As I was turning around and turning onto taxiway north, I was taxiing very slowly, and I noticed an aircraft at the end of runway 12L which didn't appear to move. I stopped on taxiway north with my nosewheel just about 1 ft past the hold short line. At that point, the controller said 'air carrier X stop.' a few seconds later, the controller told air carrier Y jet on runway 12L that their takeoff clearance was canceled and another jet inbound runway 12L to land to go around. We were later told by the controller to call the tower, and after parking the airplane, I walked upstairs to the tower where I talked to the supervisors stl ATCT controller and ATCT controller. I was told by controller to call back later on that night to hear more about their findings. Later that night I called back and talked to controller who is in charge of quality assurance. Told me that they found that I had not violated the safety distance to the other aircraft, but since my nosewheel had crossed the hold short line, it was a routine procedure to cancel any takeoff and landing clrncs. He also told me that he found some of the instructions I received to be incorrect, and that he could understand why those instructions could be very confusing to me. He then told me he would stay in touch with my company's safety coordinator, captain air carrier X.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF A BRITISH JETSTREAM JS32 STOPPED PAST THE RWY HOLD SHORT LINE CAUSING THE TWR TO ABORT THE TKOF OF A SUPER MD80 AND ANOTHER ACFT ON FINAL TO BE SENT AROUND.
Narrative: THE CTLR GAVE US SEVERAL HDG CHANGES, AND ASKED US IF WE HAD THE ARPT AND A B757 INBOUND RWY 12R IN SIGHT. WE ACKNOWLEDGED BOTH THE ARPT AND THE JET IN SIGHT, UPON WHICH SHE CLRED US FOR THE VISUAL APCH RWY 12L. APPROX 1000 FT TO 700 FT AGL, SHE TOLD US TO THEN EXPECT RWY 13 INSTEAD. A FEW SECONDS LATER, WE WERE CLRED TO LAND ON RWY 13. I DID NOT HAVE TIME TO BRIEF MY FO ON WHICH TXWY WE WOULD USE TO EXIT THE RWY. UPON LNDG, I APPLIED THE BRAKES, AND AS WE WERE APCHING THE TXWY N, SHE TOLD US TO 'TAKE THE HIGH SPD OFF THE RWY.' THE STATEMENT CONFUSED ME, AS THERE IS NO HIGH SPD TXWY OFF RWY 13. AS I WAS PASSING TXWY N, THE CTLR SAID 'I'M SORRY, WHAT I MEANT WAS, TAKE TXWY, N, YOU CAN MAKE A 180 DEG TURN IF YOU WANT.' THE LAST FEW WORDS OF HER CLRNC THOUGH, I WAS NOT ABLE TO DISTINGUISH, AS I WAS ADDING SOME DIFFERENTIAL PWR TO TURN THE AIRPLANE AROUND. MY FO QUICKLY RESPONDED TO HER CLRNC, YET I COULD ONLY HEAR HIM VERY FAINTLY AS HE WAS HOLDING IN THE PUSH-TO-TALK MIKE SWITCH. AS I WAS TURNING AROUND AND TURNING ONTO TXWY N, I WAS TAXIING VERY SLOWLY, AND I NOTICED AN ACFT AT THE END OF RWY 12L WHICH DIDN'T APPEAR TO MOVE. I STOPPED ON TXWY N WITH MY NOSEWHEEL JUST ABOUT 1 FT PAST THE HOLD SHORT LINE. AT THAT POINT, THE CTLR SAID 'ACR X STOP.' A FEW SECONDS LATER, THE CTLR TOLD ACR Y JET ON RWY 12L THAT THEIR TKOF CLRNC WAS CANCELED AND ANOTHER JET INBOUND RWY 12L TO LAND TO GO AROUND. WE WERE LATER TOLD BY THE CTLR TO CALL THE TWR, AND AFTER PARKING THE AIRPLANE, I WALKED UPSTAIRS TO THE TWR WHERE I TALKED TO THE SUPVRS STL ATCT CTLR AND ATCT CTLR. I WAS TOLD BY CTLR TO CALL BACK LATER ON THAT NIGHT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THEIR FINDINGS. LATER THAT NIGHT I CALLED BACK AND TALKED TO CTLR WHO IS IN CHARGE OF QUALITY ASSURANCE. TOLD ME THAT THEY FOUND THAT I HAD NOT VIOLATED THE SAFETY DISTANCE TO THE OTHER ACFT, BUT SINCE MY NOSEWHEEL HAD CROSSED THE HOLD SHORT LINE, IT WAS A ROUTINE PROC TO CANCEL ANY TKOF AND LNDG CLRNCS. HE ALSO TOLD ME THAT HE FOUND SOME OF THE INSTRUCTIONS I RECEIVED TO BE INCORRECT, AND THAT HE COULD UNDERSTAND WHY THOSE INSTRUCTIONS COULD BE VERY CONFUSING TO ME. HE THEN TOLD ME HE WOULD STAY IN TOUCH WITH MY COMPANY'S SAFETY COORDINATOR, CAPT ACR X.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.