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Attributes | |
ACN | 485800 |
Time | |
Date | 200009 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : atl.airport |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2700 msl bound upper : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach other arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach other arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 3400 flight time type : 1300 |
ASRS Report | 485800 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllerb other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
On approach to runway 9R, were given slow to 180 KTS at 7000 ft. We started to slow as advised, but then ATC started telling us to expedite down and slow to 160 KTS. The new altitude was 2700 ft. This speed and altitude assigned made it hard to descend as fast as he wanted us to, even though flaps and spoilers were at maximum deployment for our speed. He then turned us to join final unexpectedly to fit us between 2 MD80's. We were still slowing to 160 KTS (at 170 KTS) when he asked us our speed. I told him '170 KTS, still slowing to 160 KTS.' he then told us to turn direct burny and follow an MD80. His instructions, however, were garbled and unintelligible, because his voice/speech was very hurried and antsy. By this time he sounded very frustrated. When I queried him on his last instructions, he sounded even more put-out. At this time, another controller took over for him, and we then continued normally to atl. The whole problem arose with the controller trying to fit us inbtwn 2 MD80's without telling us his ultimate plan from the get go. We descended as best we could, at given speeds, but were still not good enough for his ultimate plan. He decided to rush us down and stick us inbtwn 2 other jets, instead of putting us behind the second one.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TFC SEQUENCING AT ATL, GA, IS NOT WORKING OUT FOR A STRESSED CTLR. HE IS REPLACED BY ANOTHER CTLR.
Narrative: ON APCH TO RWY 9R, WERE GIVEN SLOW TO 180 KTS AT 7000 FT. WE STARTED TO SLOW AS ADVISED, BUT THEN ATC STARTED TELLING US TO EXPEDITE DOWN AND SLOW TO 160 KTS. THE NEW ALT WAS 2700 FT. THIS SPD AND ALT ASSIGNED MADE IT HARD TO DSND AS FAST AS HE WANTED US TO, EVEN THOUGH FLAPS AND SPOILERS WERE AT MAX DEPLOYMENT FOR OUR SPD. HE THEN TURNED US TO JOIN FINAL UNEXPECTEDLY TO FIT US BTWN 2 MD80'S. WE WERE STILL SLOWING TO 160 KTS (AT 170 KTS) WHEN HE ASKED US OUR SPD. I TOLD HIM '170 KTS, STILL SLOWING TO 160 KTS.' HE THEN TOLD US TO TURN DIRECT BURNY AND FOLLOW AN MD80. HIS INSTRUCTIONS, HOWEVER, WERE GARBLED AND UNINTELLIGIBLE, BECAUSE HIS VOICE/SPEECH WAS VERY HURRIED AND ANTSY. BY THIS TIME HE SOUNDED VERY FRUSTRATED. WHEN I QUERIED HIM ON HIS LAST INSTRUCTIONS, HE SOUNDED EVEN MORE PUT-OUT. AT THIS TIME, ANOTHER CTLR TOOK OVER FOR HIM, AND WE THEN CONTINUED NORMALLY TO ATL. THE WHOLE PROB AROSE WITH THE CTLR TRYING TO FIT US INBTWN 2 MD80'S WITHOUT TELLING US HIS ULTIMATE PLAN FROM THE GET GO. WE DSNDED AS BEST WE COULD, AT GIVEN SPDS, BUT WERE STILL NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR HIS ULTIMATE PLAN. HE DECIDED TO RUSH US DOWN AND STICK US INBTWN 2 OTHER JETS, INSTEAD OF PUTTING US BEHIND THE SECOND ONE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.