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Attributes | |
ACN | 486674 |
Time | |
Date | 200009 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : hnl.airport |
State Reference | HI |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : jfk.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 900 |
ASRS Report | 486674 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : hnl.tower |
Narrative:
Hnl ATC needs 1) training, 2) reality check. Hnl approach issued instruction 'cross 5 mi from runway 4R at 180 KTS.' on glide path that is approximately 1800 ft. That leaves a descent of 800 ft on glide path to reduce airspeed 49 KTS to target of 131 KTS and be stabilized and spooled up for approach. What is the hurry? Second after landing on runway 4R, on landing roll hnl tower issued late/surprise instructions to hold short of runway 8L. This is dangerous! There is not an approved lahso procedure, no runway lighting. We used heavy braking and excessive reverse thrust because of fuzzy, late, dangerous instructions. We turned off at taxiway K. Our initial plan was to turn off at the end of the runway. Apparently a 'local' air carrier made a short approach (probably unstable) to runway 8L. Hnl tower, without using common sense or judgement, issues hold short instruction to an aircraft on the landing roll on a runway without lahso procedure in a surprise late instruction instead of issuing a lahso instruction to an airborne aircraft on a longer runway with a lahso procedure. Did I say this was at night? Lack of planning on hnl tower's part, should not create an emergency/abnormal situation on my part!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF A B757 COMPLAINT REGARDING TWR GIVING LAHSO INSTRUCTIONS DURING LNDG ROLL AFTER A DIRECTED HIGH SPD DSCNT TO LNDG.
Narrative: HNL ATC NEEDS 1) TRAINING, 2) REALITY CHK. HNL APCH ISSUED INSTRUCTION 'CROSS 5 MI FROM RWY 4R AT 180 KTS.' ON GLIDE PATH THAT IS APPROX 1800 FT. THAT LEAVES A DSCNT OF 800 FT ON GLIDE PATH TO REDUCE AIRSPD 49 KTS TO TARGET OF 131 KTS AND BE STABILIZED AND SPOOLED UP FOR APCH. WHAT IS THE HURRY? SECOND AFTER LNDG ON RWY 4R, ON LNDG ROLL HNL TWR ISSUED LATE/SURPRISE INSTRUCTIONS TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 8L. THIS IS DANGEROUS! THERE IS NOT AN APPROVED LAHSO PROC, NO RWY LIGHTING. WE USED HVY BRAKING AND EXCESSIVE REVERSE THRUST BECAUSE OF FUZZY, LATE, DANGEROUS INSTRUCTIONS. WE TURNED OFF AT TXWY K. OUR INITIAL PLAN WAS TO TURN OFF AT THE END OF THE RWY. APPARENTLY A 'LCL' ACR MADE A SHORT APCH (PROBABLY UNSTABLE) TO RWY 8L. HNL TWR, WITHOUT USING COMMON SENSE OR JUDGEMENT, ISSUES HOLD SHORT INSTRUCTION TO AN ACFT ON THE LNDG ROLL ON A RWY WITHOUT LAHSO PROC IN A SURPRISE LATE INSTRUCTION INSTEAD OF ISSUING A LAHSO INSTRUCTION TO AN AIRBORNE ACFT ON A LONGER RWY WITH A LAHSO PROC. DID I SAY THIS WAS AT NIGHT? LACK OF PLANNING ON HNL TWR'S PART, SHOULD NOT CREATE AN EMER/ABNORMAL SIT ON MY PART!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.