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Attributes | |
ACN | 486943 |
Time | |
Date | 200009 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3600 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon tower : dfw.tower tower : rno.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer only : 17c |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 18r other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
ASRS Report | 486943 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 486942 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : separated traffic flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Miss Distance | vertical : 700 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error other |
Narrative:
Location: dfw 350 degree radial/8 DME. WX clear, VFR return to dfw on JEN5 arrival from tus. We were assigned runway 17C coming from the west. On vectors to a short base leg, we were assigned by ATC to maintain 4000 ft until intercepting the localizer. Cleared visual approach to runway 17C. As we were turning to final, intercepting the localizer, we started a rate of descent as we were showing almost 2 dots above GS on the ILS. Passing 3800 ft, we got a TA on the TCASII and approach immediately came up and called for us to climb immediately back to 4000 ft. As we initiated a manual climb back to 4000 ft we saw traffic underneath us on a angling base, final to runway 18R. We bottomed out at about 3600 ft, reintercepted the localizer and did the slam-dunk to get back on final to be in the groove at 1000 ft. I believe ATC should not have cleared us for the visual approach after the 4000 ft to intercept instructions, or they could have told us they had crossing traffic underneath us that we had to clear before descending. Cleared for the visual from a 2 DOT high on the GS precipitates a descent to get down on the glide path before 1000 ft. Could have been a near miss without TCASII or approach intervention.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A SUPER MD80 STOPPED DSCNT DURING A VISUAL APCH DUE TO A TCASII TA AND THEN WAS INSTRUCTED BY APCH CTL TO CLB BACK TO THEIR ORIGINAL APCH ALT. THE CREW OBSERVED ANOTHER ACFT CROSS UNDERNEATH THEM AT 700 FT GOING TO ANOTHER RWY.
Narrative: LOCATION: DFW 350 DEG RADIAL/8 DME. WX CLR, VFR RETURN TO DFW ON JEN5 ARR FROM TUS. WE WERE ASSIGNED RWY 17C COMING FROM THE W. ON VECTORS TO A SHORT BASE LEG, WE WERE ASSIGNED BY ATC TO MAINTAIN 4000 FT UNTIL INTERCEPTING THE LOC. CLRED VISUAL APCH TO RWY 17C. AS WE WERE TURNING TO FINAL, INTERCEPTING THE LOC, WE STARTED A RATE OF DSCNT AS WE WERE SHOWING ALMOST 2 DOTS ABOVE GS ON THE ILS. PASSING 3800 FT, WE GOT A TA ON THE TCASII AND APCH IMMEDIATELY CAME UP AND CALLED FOR US TO CLB IMMEDIATELY BACK TO 4000 FT. AS WE INITIATED A MANUAL CLB BACK TO 4000 FT WE SAW TFC UNDERNEATH US ON A ANGLING BASE, FINAL TO RWY 18R. WE BOTTOMED OUT AT ABOUT 3600 FT, REINTERCEPTED THE LOC AND DID THE SLAM-DUNK TO GET BACK ON FINAL TO BE IN THE GROOVE AT 1000 FT. I BELIEVE ATC SHOULD NOT HAVE CLRED US FOR THE VISUAL APCH AFTER THE 4000 FT TO INTERCEPT INSTRUCTIONS, OR THEY COULD HAVE TOLD US THEY HAD XING TFC UNDERNEATH US THAT WE HAD TO CLR BEFORE DSNDING. CLRED FOR THE VISUAL FROM A 2 DOT HIGH ON THE GS PRECIPITATES A DSCNT TO GET DOWN ON THE GLIDE PATH BEFORE 1000 FT. COULD HAVE BEEN A NEAR MISS WITHOUT TCASII OR APCH INTERVENTION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.