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Attributes | |
ACN | 487640 |
Time | |
Date | 200009 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : okk.vortac |
State Reference | IN |
Altitude | msl single value : 20000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zid.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : kokomo |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 487640 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : 4 |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : investigated faa : assigned or threatened penalties other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance FAA |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
I have been notified by my company that the FAA has issued a letter of investigation for a flight during which I was the first officer. It has been several days and numerous flight hours since that flight. Pilot group legal has informed me that the event was related to 'a turn near plymouth, in,' but without any more specifics from the FAA, I'm led to speculate about which 'turn' is in question. There was a point on the kokomo arrival when the ATC controller directed us to turn approximately 50 degrees left, then said something like 'for traffic, turn an additional 20 degrees left and tighten up the turn.' I acknowledged the additional 20 degrees left and stated that we were doing the best we could, as we were in a 30 degree bank turn. All ATC instructions received during the arrival were acknowledged and complied with immediately upon receipt, and at no time did ATC query, clarify, or otherwise question any activity/maneuver that occurred. Receiving a notice of investigation days after a flight makes it virtually impossible for a pilot to accurately recall specific details. As a professional pilot, I fly numerous legs every day -- many with the same routines. Therefore, it is very difficult to recall the specifics of an uneventful flight that happened days earlier. I strongly urge that the FAA be required to inform pilots immediately of any intended actions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B757 FO RPTED THAT THE FAA NOTICED HER COMPANY OF AN INVESTIGATION THEY ARE MAKING INTO A FLT ON WHICH SHE WAS THE FO.
Narrative: I HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED BY MY COMPANY THAT THE FAA HAS ISSUED A LETTER OF INVESTIGATION FOR A FLT DURING WHICH I WAS THE FO. IT HAS BEEN SEVERAL DAYS AND NUMEROUS FLT HRS SINCE THAT FLT. PLT GROUP LEGAL HAS INFORMED ME THAT THE EVENT WAS RELATED TO 'A TURN NEAR PLYMOUTH, IN,' BUT WITHOUT ANY MORE SPECIFICS FROM THE FAA, I'M LED TO SPECULATE ABOUT WHICH 'TURN' IS IN QUESTION. THERE WAS A POINT ON THE KOKOMO ARR WHEN THE ATC CTLR DIRECTED US TO TURN APPROX 50 DEGS L, THEN SAID SOMETHING LIKE 'FOR TFC, TURN AN ADDITIONAL 20 DEGS L AND TIGHTEN UP THE TURN.' I ACKNOWLEDGED THE ADDITIONAL 20 DEGS L AND STATED THAT WE WERE DOING THE BEST WE COULD, AS WE WERE IN A 30 DEG BANK TURN. ALL ATC INSTRUCTIONS RECEIVED DURING THE ARR WERE ACKNOWLEDGED AND COMPLIED WITH IMMEDIATELY UPON RECEIPT, AND AT NO TIME DID ATC QUERY, CLARIFY, OR OTHERWISE QUESTION ANY ACTIVITY/MANEUVER THAT OCCURRED. RECEIVING A NOTICE OF INVESTIGATION DAYS AFTER A FLT MAKES IT VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A PLT TO ACCURATELY RECALL SPECIFIC DETAILS. AS A PROFESSIONAL PLT, I FLY NUMEROUS LEGS EVERY DAY -- MANY WITH THE SAME ROUTINES. THEREFORE, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO RECALL THE SPECIFICS OF AN UNEVENTFUL FLT THAT HAPPENED DAYS EARLIER. I STRONGLY URGE THAT THE FAA BE REQUIRED TO INFORM PLTS IMMEDIATELY OF ANY INTENDED ACTIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.