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Attributes | |
ACN | 488947 |
Time | |
Date | 200010 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : lax.vortac |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 900 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Weather Elements | other |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lax.tower |
Operator | Other |
Make Model Name | Twin Beech 18 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : hhr.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Super King Air 200 HDC |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 1760 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 488947 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 1300 |
ASRS Report | 489071 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 400 vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather Airspace Structure ATC Facility Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
During operation in class B airspace, I was flying aircraft abcd. I operate under an insect control project. I was working an area of north/south passes between the 110 freeway and the 710 freeway. The southern border is the 105 freeway. At the southern boundary, on the western part of the region, the lax class B airspace ends and the class D airspace of hawthorne begins. While operating, I was in direct communication with lax tower frequency. The incident occurred while heading sbound. This is followed by a left turn at the border to go northbound. The pass ends at the border of where class B surface area ends, and the class D begins. The left turn was initiated when shortly after visual with a king air on approach to hawthorne was established. I felt it safer to continue the left turn and felt no other deviation or action was necessary. Operation was resumed and contact with lax tower was maintained. At no time was I made aware of the king air on approach to hawthorne. Hawthorne was not made aware of our operation in the area by lax tower or myself. The lack of communication between lax tower, hawthorne tower, and myself was most likely the determining factor. Supplemental information from acn 489071: flying sbound along pass 3. The region is an area of north/south passes between the 110 freeway and the 710 freeway, flown at an altitude of 900 ft. The southern border in this area runs east and west over the 105 freeway. The entire region was done while in direct communication with lax tower on the helicopter frequency of 119.8. At the same time communication was maintained with the helicopter traffic in the area on 123.025. Pass 3 is just to the east of the 110 freeway. The next pass to be done upon the completion of 3 was 5. This is 1760 ft laterally to the east of pass 3. The turn to pass 5 northbound requires a slight right turn, then a complete left turn northbound. This is done to allow sufficient distance to make a safe turn from pass 3 to pass 5. The incident: after completing pass 3 over the 105 freeway (sbound), the slight right turn was initiated. After approximately a turn of 30-40 degrees, an immediate left turn was initiated. As the aircraft came through a heading of approximately 160 degrees true, visual with the king air on the localizer to hawthorne was established. Visual with the aircraft was established with a horizontal separation from us at about 1/8 mi. It was determined by our PIC that greater separation would be established if the current left turn at 45 degrees of bank was continued. At their closest point, the airplanes were vertically separated by approximately 300 ft. The turn northbound was completed by us and the king air resumed the approach. 5 mins after the incident, hawthorne tower was contacted by our PIC. Hawthorne tower gave us a phone number to call when we were on the ground. At no time did hawthorne tower request any future radio calls by us to let them know region was being covered. Radio contact was maintained with lax tower for the remainder of the operation in region. Cause of the problem: I believe the cause of the problem was lax tower was not in better communication with hawthorne tower, which resulted in that they did not call out the traffic to us. To prevent a recurrence: maintain constantly with socal approach and not with los angeles tower.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BE18 HAD AN NMAC WITH A BE20 IN HHR CLASS D AIRSPACE.
Narrative: DURING OP IN CLASS B AIRSPACE, I WAS FLYING ACFT ABCD. I OPERATE UNDER AN INSECT CTL PROJECT. I WAS WORKING AN AREA OF N/S PASSES BTWN THE 110 FREEWAY AND THE 710 FREEWAY. THE SOUTHERN BORDER IS THE 105 FREEWAY. AT THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY, ON THE WESTERN PART OF THE REGION, THE LAX CLASS B AIRSPACE ENDS AND THE CLASS D AIRSPACE OF HAWTHORNE BEGINS. WHILE OPERATING, I WAS IN DIRECT COM WITH LAX TWR FREQ. THE INCIDENT OCCURRED WHILE HDG SBOUND. THIS IS FOLLOWED BY A L TURN AT THE BORDER TO GO NBOUND. THE PASS ENDS AT THE BORDER OF WHERE CLASS B SURFACE AREA ENDS, AND THE CLASS D BEGINS. THE L TURN WAS INITIATED WHEN SHORTLY AFTER VISUAL WITH A KING AIR ON APCH TO HAWTHORNE WAS ESTABLISHED. I FELT IT SAFER TO CONTINUE THE L TURN AND FELT NO OTHER DEV OR ACTION WAS NECESSARY. OP WAS RESUMED AND CONTACT WITH LAX TWR WAS MAINTAINED. AT NO TIME WAS I MADE AWARE OF THE KING AIR ON APCH TO HAWTHORNE. HAWTHORNE WAS NOT MADE AWARE OF OUR OP IN THE AREA BY LAX TWR OR MYSELF. THE LACK OF COM BTWN LAX TWR, HAWTHORNE TWR, AND MYSELF WAS MOST LIKELY THE DETERMINING FACTOR. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 489071: FLYING SBOUND ALONG PASS 3. THE REGION IS AN AREA OF N/S PASSES BTWN THE 110 FREEWAY AND THE 710 FREEWAY, FLOWN AT AN ALT OF 900 FT. THE SOUTHERN BORDER IN THIS AREA RUNS E AND W OVER THE 105 FREEWAY. THE ENTIRE REGION WAS DONE WHILE IN DIRECT COM WITH LAX TWR ON THE HELI FREQ OF 119.8. AT THE SAME TIME COM WAS MAINTAINED WITH THE HELI TFC IN THE AREA ON 123.025. PASS 3 IS JUST TO THE E OF THE 110 FREEWAY. THE NEXT PASS TO BE DONE UPON THE COMPLETION OF 3 WAS 5. THIS IS 1760 FT LATERALLY TO THE E OF PASS 3. THE TURN TO PASS 5 NBOUND REQUIRES A SLIGHT R TURN, THEN A COMPLETE L TURN NBOUND. THIS IS DONE TO ALLOW SUFFICIENT DISTANCE TO MAKE A SAFE TURN FROM PASS 3 TO PASS 5. THE INCIDENT: AFTER COMPLETING PASS 3 OVER THE 105 FREEWAY (SBOUND), THE SLIGHT R TURN WAS INITIATED. AFTER APPROX A TURN OF 30-40 DEGS, AN IMMEDIATE L TURN WAS INITIATED. AS THE ACFT CAME THROUGH A HEADING OF APPROX 160 DEGS TRUE, VISUAL WITH THE KING AIR ON THE LOC TO HAWTHORNE WAS ESTABLISHED. VISUAL WITH THE ACFT WAS ESTABLISHED WITH A HORIZONTAL SEPARATION FROM US AT ABOUT 1/8 MI. IT WAS DETERMINED BY OUR PIC THAT GREATER SEPARATION WOULD BE ESTABLISHED IF THE CURRENT L TURN AT 45 DEGS OF BANK WAS CONTINUED. AT THEIR CLOSEST POINT, THE AIRPLANES WERE VERTICALLY SEPARATED BY APPROX 300 FT. THE TURN NBOUND WAS COMPLETED BY US AND THE KING AIR RESUMED THE APCH. 5 MINS AFTER THE INCIDENT, HAWTHORNE TWR WAS CONTACTED BY OUR PIC. HAWTHORNE TWR GAVE US A PHONE NUMBER TO CALL WHEN WE WERE ON THE GND. AT NO TIME DID HAWTHORNE TWR REQUEST ANY FUTURE RADIO CALLS BY US TO LET THEM KNOW REGION WAS BEING COVERED. RADIO CONTACT WAS MAINTAINED WITH LAX TWR FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE OP IN REGION. CAUSE OF THE PROB: I BELIEVE THE CAUSE OF THE PROB WAS LAX TWR WAS NOT IN BETTER COM WITH HAWTHORNE TWR, WHICH RESULTED IN THAT THEY DID NOT CALL OUT THE TFC TO US. TO PREVENT A RECURRENCE: MAINTAIN CONSTANTLY WITH SOCAL APCH AND NOT WITH LOS ANGELES TWR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.