<< >> NASA ASRS Report 489190, October 2000

Cleared into position and hold an air carrier observes approaching landing traffic, advises tower who advises traffic he is cleared to land on another runway at dfw, tx.

Attributes
ACN	489190
Time
Date	200010
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : dfw.airport
State Reference	TX
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : dfw.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B767-300 and 300 ER
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	tower : dfw.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	A330
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 125
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	approach : visual
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 1400
ASRS Report	489190
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground critical ground encounters other non adherence : published procedure non adherence : company policies non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance other
Miss Distance	horizontal : 2500 vertical : 250
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

We were cleared into position and hold on runway 17R at dfw. Approximately 10 ft past (nose distance) hold short line, captain checked the final for runway 17R and noticed an aircraft Y appeared to be lined up on our runway. Aircraft Y was over the approach lights and approximately 250 ft AGL. We decided to stop the aircraft. We were not protruding onto the runway at all. We called the tower to tell them that we were still holding short. He then told aircraft Y that he had been cleared to land on runway 17C. Aircraft Y made a low altitude maneuver to change runways back to runway 17C. Once aircraft Y was on the ground, we were cleared into position for runway 17R and the flight continued without further incident.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CLRED INTO POS AND HOLD AN ACR OBSERVES APCHING LNDG TFC, ADVISES TWR WHO ADVISES TFC HE IS CLRED TO LAND ON ANOTHER RWY AT DFW, TX.

Narrative: WE WERE CLRED INTO POS AND HOLD ON RWY 17R AT DFW. APPROX 10 FT PAST (NOSE DISTANCE) HOLD SHORT LINE, CAPT CHKED THE FINAL FOR RWY 17R AND NOTICED AN ACFT Y APPEARED TO BE LINED UP ON OUR RWY. ACFT Y WAS OVER THE APCH LIGHTS AND APPROX 250 FT AGL. WE DECIDED TO STOP THE ACFT. WE WERE NOT PROTRUDING ONTO THE RWY AT ALL. WE CALLED THE TWR TO TELL THEM THAT WE WERE STILL HOLDING SHORT. HE THEN TOLD ACFT Y THAT HE HAD BEEN CLRED TO LAND ON RWY 17C. ACFT Y MADE A LOW ALT MANEUVER TO CHANGE RWYS BACK TO RWY 17C. ONCE ACFT Y WAS ON THE GND, WE WERE CLRED INTO POS FOR RWY 17R AND THE FLT CONTINUED WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.