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Attributes | |
ACN | 489520 |
Time | |
Date | 200010 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : bdf.vortac |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 22800 msl bound upper : 23500 |
Environment | |
Weather Elements | Turbulence |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zau.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 489520 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
ASRS Report | 489521 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe altitude deviation : overshoot altitude deviation : undershoot inflight encounter : turbulence non adherence : company policies other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to assigned altitude flight crew : regained aircraft control flight crew : overcame equipment problem |
Consequence | other Other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Aircraft Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Location: bdf, FL240. Cleared to FL230 and best forward speed. First officer used IAS hold to descend and accelerate, unaware aircraft cannot do this well in short descent. Aircraft developed big descent rate. I warned first officer to watch leveloff. Leveled at FL228 and started correction when cleared to FL210, but aircraft in capture mode directed big climb which first officer followed overshooting to FL235. I gave direction, directed him to hand-fly, pulled throttles to idle and pushed over, but peaked out at FL235. Returned sole control to first officer and continued arrival giving instruction as I anticipated problems with normal ord arrival instructions. No other problems, no call from ATC, and no traffic alerts. Contributing factors: 1) strong first officer surprised me when he got confused. I should have taken control earlier, but I thought my instructions were sufficient at the time. 2) first officer came off 2 week military leave and recent 6 month military leave. He is still re-learning the line techniques. 3) I have 200 hours as captain and this was my first problem like this. First officer fell back to schoolhouse procedures in a complex situation. Supplemental information from acn 489521: I started the descent by selecting vertical speed of 1000 FPM down. In the descent, center asked us to give them our best forward speed. So I selected IAS and rolled it to 320 KIAS. The nose dipped more than I expected and when the altitude captured at FL230, the aircraft still had good rate of descent on it. I realized that it was going to go through FL230. I deselected the autoplt and began to pull the nose back up to FL230. The captain dialed in FL210 in the altitude window. I incorrectly assumed that the v-bars would direct me to FL210. I forgot that the altitude had already captured FL230. While concentrating on the v-bars, which were now directing a 500 FPM climb, I climbed back up to FL235, 500 ft above our previously assigned flight level. The captain and I discussed the error and he told me the better way to handle this situation was to select the increased speed with the speed select and smoothly control the descent with vertical speed. I was probably a little behind the airplane as we were entering the busy environment of the ohare traffic area. Being a relatively new hire with 300 hours in type, I understand the severity of my mistake.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN S80 FO HAS A PROB WITH HIS MODE CTL PANEL SET UP AND PORPOISES AROUND HIS ASSIGNED ALT WHILE ATTEMPTING TO ATTAIN 'BEST FORWARD SPD' IN ACCORD WITH CLRNC FROM ZAU, IL.
Narrative: LOCATION: BDF, FL240. CLRED TO FL230 AND BEST FORWARD SPD. FO USED IAS HOLD TO DSND AND ACCELERATE, UNAWARE ACFT CANNOT DO THIS WELL IN SHORT DSCNT. ACFT DEVELOPED BIG DSCNT RATE. I WARNED FO TO WATCH LEVELOFF. LEVELED AT FL228 AND STARTED CORRECTION WHEN CLRED TO FL210, BUT ACFT IN CAPTURE MODE DIRECTED BIG CLB WHICH FO FOLLOWED OVERSHOOTING TO FL235. I GAVE DIRECTION, DIRECTED HIM TO HAND-FLY, PULLED THROTTLES TO IDLE AND PUSHED OVER, BUT PEAKED OUT AT FL235. RETURNED SOLE CTL TO FO AND CONTINUED ARR GIVING INSTRUCTION AS I ANTICIPATED PROBS WITH NORMAL ORD ARR INSTRUCTIONS. NO OTHER PROBS, NO CALL FROM ATC, AND NO TFC ALERTS. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: 1) STRONG FO SURPRISED ME WHEN HE GOT CONFUSED. I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN CTL EARLIER, BUT I THOUGHT MY INSTRUCTIONS WERE SUFFICIENT AT THE TIME. 2) FO CAME OFF 2 WK MIL LEAVE AND RECENT 6 MONTH MIL LEAVE. HE IS STILL RE-LEARNING THE LINE TECHNIQUES. 3) I HAVE 200 HRS AS CAPT AND THIS WAS MY FIRST PROB LIKE THIS. FO FELL BACK TO SCHOOLHOUSE PROCS IN A COMPLEX SIT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 489521: I STARTED THE DSCNT BY SELECTING VERT SPD OF 1000 FPM DOWN. IN THE DSCNT, CTR ASKED US TO GIVE THEM OUR BEST FORWARD SPD. SO I SELECTED IAS AND ROLLED IT TO 320 KIAS. THE NOSE DIPPED MORE THAN I EXPECTED AND WHEN THE ALT CAPTURED AT FL230, THE ACFT STILL HAD GOOD RATE OF DSCNT ON IT. I REALIZED THAT IT WAS GOING TO GO THROUGH FL230. I DESELECTED THE AUTOPLT AND BEGAN TO PULL THE NOSE BACK UP TO FL230. THE CAPT DIALED IN FL210 IN THE ALT WINDOW. I INCORRECTLY ASSUMED THAT THE V-BARS WOULD DIRECT ME TO FL210. I FORGOT THAT THE ALT HAD ALREADY CAPTURED FL230. WHILE CONCENTRATING ON THE V-BARS, WHICH WERE NOW DIRECTING A 500 FPM CLB, I CLBED BACK UP TO FL235, 500 FT ABOVE OUR PREVIOUSLY ASSIGNED FLT LEVEL. THE CAPT AND I DISCUSSED THE ERROR AND HE TOLD ME THE BETTER WAY TO HANDLE THIS SIT WAS TO SELECT THE INCREASED SPD WITH THE SPD SELECT AND SMOOTHLY CTL THE DSCNT WITH VERT SPD. I WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE BEHIND THE AIRPLANE AS WE WERE ENTERING THE BUSY ENVIRONMENT OF THE OHARE TFC AREA. BEING A RELATIVELY NEW HIRE WITH 300 HRS IN TYPE, I UNDERSTAND THE SEVERITY OF MY MISTAKE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.