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Attributes | |
ACN | 489670 |
Time | |
Date | 200010 |
Day | Sat |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dca.airport |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 50 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dca.tracon tower : dca.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Challenger Jet Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other other other vortac |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure : noise abatement departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dca.tracon tower : dca.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure : noise abatement |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 9400 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 489570 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 9000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airport Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
I was flying a challenger 604. We were cleared for takeoff on runway 33 at dca, immediately behind a B727 on runway 36. Right after takeoff we were in loose formation with the B727 who turned to about a 330 degree heading to follow the river out. We also had a clearance to follow the river out to the northwest. Shortly after takeoff (I can't remember if it was departure or tower) we were instructed to make a hard right turn and get in behind the B727 and follow the river. I made the turn, (about 90 degrees to the right) but I closed the gap on the B727. Now I am directly over the river, heading northeast, with the B727 close in front of me flying northwest out the river. I delayed my immediate turn back to the northwest so as not to conflict with the B727. I was also very concerned with his climb out wake turbulence. He was about 1 1/2 mi ahead of us. We had him visual and on TCASII. Due to my delay in turning back up the river, I may have violated P-56 on the east side of the river. Departure now told me to make an immediate left turn to 290 degrees to keep me clear of P-56 and to give us spacing on the B727. He stated he understood we were put in a precarious situation, but didn't want us in P-56. I felt my maneuvering was necessary for safe spacing behind. I believe the tower should not have issued us a rapid clearance behind the B727 in which he would be turning to approximately our heading. I did not realize he was going out the river departure with us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TFC CONFLICT AND NEAR P-56 INCURSION WHEN 2 ACFT DEPART DCA, VA, FROM DIFFERENT RWYS.
Narrative: I WAS FLYING A CHALLENGER 604. WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF ON RWY 33 AT DCA, IMMEDIATELY BEHIND A B727 ON RWY 36. RIGHT AFTER TKOF WE WERE IN LOOSE FORMATION WITH THE B727 WHO TURNED TO ABOUT A 330 DEG HDG TO FOLLOW THE RIVER OUT. WE ALSO HAD A CLRNC TO FOLLOW THE RIVER OUT TO THE NW. SHORTLY AFTER TKOF (I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS DEP OR TWR) WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO MAKE A HARD R TURN AND GET IN BEHIND THE B727 AND FOLLOW THE RIVER. I MADE THE TURN, (ABOUT 90 DEGS TO THE R) BUT I CLOSED THE GAP ON THE B727. NOW I AM DIRECTLY OVER THE RIVER, HEADING NE, WITH THE B727 CLOSE IN FRONT OF ME FLYING NW OUT THE RIVER. I DELAYED MY IMMEDIATE TURN BACK TO THE NW SO AS NOT TO CONFLICT WITH THE B727. I WAS ALSO VERY CONCERNED WITH HIS CLBOUT WAKE TURB. HE WAS ABOUT 1 1/2 MI AHEAD OF US. WE HAD HIM VISUAL AND ON TCASII. DUE TO MY DELAY IN TURNING BACK UP THE RIVER, I MAY HAVE VIOLATED P-56 ON THE E SIDE OF THE RIVER. DEP NOW TOLD ME TO MAKE AN IMMEDIATE L TURN TO 290 DEGS TO KEEP ME CLR OF P-56 AND TO GIVE US SPACING ON THE B727. HE STATED HE UNDERSTOOD WE WERE PUT IN A PRECARIOUS SIT, BUT DIDN'T WANT US IN P-56. I FELT MY MANEUVERING WAS NECESSARY FOR SAFE SPACING BEHIND. I BELIEVE THE TWR SHOULD NOT HAVE ISSUED US A RAPID CLRNC BEHIND THE B727 IN WHICH HE WOULD BE TURNING TO APPROX OUR HEADING. I DID NOT REALIZE HE WAS GOING OUT THE RIVER DEP WITH US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.