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Attributes | |
ACN | 490534 |
Time | |
Date | 200011 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | L-1011 Tri-Star All Series |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi landing : roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lax.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-10 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 110 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 110 |
ASRS Report | 490534 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 148 flight time total : 5890 flight time type : 698 |
ASRS Report | 490389 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : clearance non adherence : company policies |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance none taken : detected after the fact none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
After touchdown on runway 25L at lax, tower requested we exit at taxiway T. We acknowledged, and in complying with their request, had excess ground speed on the high speed exit. Tower then issued a hold short clearance for runway 25R on taxiway T, and we acknowledged. After the aircraft completely stopped, I could see the hold short bars of runway 25R from my side window. No takeoff clearance had been issued for runway 25R. It is my estimation that the nosewheel was not over the hold short bars. Tower instructed us to taxi across runway 25R and continue to parking. Contributing factors included: 1) calling for after landing checks prior to stopping the aircraft, resulting in heads down duties of the first officer and engineer. 2) complying with tower's request to exit at intersection T resulted in higher than ideal speed. 3) an urgency implied from the tower in the need to clear runway 25L expeditiously for landing traffic necessitated the need to be well clear of that runway prior to slowing. 4) DC10 crossing runway 25R directly in front of us logically negating the need for us to hold short of the runway. We could have been across in 10 seconds at our exit speed. 5) no surface painted holding position sign exists on this wide arcing taxiway.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: UPON LNDG, ACFT INSTRUCTED TO HOLD SHORT OF PARALLEL, CREW TAXIED PASSED HOLD LINE.
Narrative: AFTER TOUCHDOWN ON RWY 25L AT LAX, TWR REQUESTED WE EXIT AT TXWY T. WE ACKNOWLEDGED, AND IN COMPLYING WITH THEIR REQUEST, HAD EXCESS GND SPD ON THE HIGH SPD EXIT. TWR THEN ISSUED A HOLD SHORT CLRNC FOR RWY 25R ON TXWY T, AND WE ACKNOWLEDGED. AFTER THE ACFT COMPLETELY STOPPED, I COULD SEE THE HOLD SHORT BARS OF RWY 25R FROM MY SIDE WINDOW. NO TKOF CLRNC HAD BEEN ISSUED FOR RWY 25R. IT IS MY ESTIMATION THAT THE NOSEWHEEL WAS NOT OVER THE HOLD SHORT BARS. TWR INSTRUCTED US TO TAXI ACROSS RWY 25R AND CONTINUE TO PARKING. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS INCLUDED: 1) CALLING FOR AFTER LNDG CHKS PRIOR TO STOPPING THE ACFT, RESULTING IN HEADS DOWN DUTIES OF THE FO AND ENGINEER. 2) COMPLYING WITH TWR'S REQUEST TO EXIT AT INTXN T RESULTED IN HIGHER THAN IDEAL SPD. 3) AN URGENCY IMPLIED FROM THE TWR IN THE NEED TO CLR RWY 25L EXPEDITIOUSLY FOR LNDG TFC NECESSITATED THE NEED TO BE WELL CLR OF THAT RWY PRIOR TO SLOWING. 4) DC10 XING RWY 25R DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF US LOGICALLY NEGATING THE NEED FOR US TO HOLD SHORT OF THE RWY. WE COULD HAVE BEEN ACROSS IN 10 SECONDS AT OUR EXIT SPD. 5) NO SURFACE PAINTED HOLDING POS SIGN EXISTS ON THIS WIDE ARCING TXWY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.