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B732 PIC taxies across bna ILS hold short line, thinking that the first officer meant the runway 31 hold short line. Air carrier on short final required to circle to runway 2.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 492662 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200011 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : bna.airport |
| State Reference | TN |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : bna.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : bna.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 10400 flight time type : 15 |
| ASRS Report | 492662 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 492663 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance flight crew : executed go around |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airport Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We began our taxi at bna and I called ground control approaching spot X. We were cleared to runway 31 and told to hold at the ILS hold short line. I acknowledged that we were cleared to runway 31. As we approached the ILS hold short line, I advised the captain we were instructed to hold short of the ILS line. He said ILS approachs were not in use and we could use the runway hold short line. I then advised him the ground controller specifically told us to stop at the ILS hold short line. He then stopped the airplane about 40 ft beyond the ILS hold short line. The tower controller advised us that because we crossed the ILS hold short line, they made air carrier Y change from runway 31 to runway 2C. After receiving the taxi clearance, the captain said ok. We did not specifically discuss 'ILS hold short' line versus 'runway hold short' line. With the WX being clear skies and 10+ mi visibility, it is unusual to stop at the ILS hold short line. I think that is why the captain was thinking 'runway hold short' line. In the future, when instructed to use to ILS hold short line, especially during good WX, I will report the clearance to the captain and wait for his response, similar to an altitude clearance. Supplemental information from acn 497663: I was past my assigned point, but since I was so far back from the hold short line, I was and am, mystified as to why the B737 on final wasn't allowed to proceed to a runway 31 landing. In my mind, I was going to go to the 'hold short line,' because the WX was clear. I assumed that the taxi was cleared all the way to the runway. Adding to my mental 'heap' was that in my experience at bna I had never before been instructed to hold at that particular approach line spot. As I approached the approach line, my first officer informed me that I was supposed to stop at it.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B732 PIC TAXIES ACROSS BNA ILS HOLD SHORT LINE, THINKING THAT THE FO MEANT THE RWY 31 HOLD SHORT LINE. ACR ON SHORT FINAL REQUIRED TO CIRCLE TO RWY 2.
Narrative: WE BEGAN OUR TAXI AT BNA AND I CALLED GND CTL APCHING SPOT X. WE WERE CLRED TO RWY 31 AND TOLD TO HOLD AT THE ILS HOLD SHORT LINE. I ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WE WERE CLRED TO RWY 31. AS WE APCHED THE ILS HOLD SHORT LINE, I ADVISED THE CAPT WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO HOLD SHORT OF THE ILS LINE. HE SAID ILS APCHS WERE NOT IN USE AND WE COULD USE THE RWY HOLD SHORT LINE. I THEN ADVISED HIM THE GND CTLR SPECIFICALLY TOLD US TO STOP AT THE ILS HOLD SHORT LINE. HE THEN STOPPED THE AIRPLANE ABOUT 40 FT BEYOND THE ILS HOLD SHORT LINE. THE TWR CTLR ADVISED US THAT BECAUSE WE CROSSED THE ILS HOLD SHORT LINE, THEY MADE ACR Y CHANGE FROM RWY 31 TO RWY 2C. AFTER RECEIVING THE TAXI CLRNC, THE CAPT SAID OK. WE DID NOT SPECIFICALLY DISCUSS 'ILS HOLD SHORT' LINE VERSUS 'RWY HOLD SHORT' LINE. WITH THE WX BEING CLR SKIES AND 10+ MI VISIBILITY, IT IS UNUSUAL TO STOP AT THE ILS HOLD SHORT LINE. I THINK THAT IS WHY THE CAPT WAS THINKING 'RWY HOLD SHORT' LINE. IN THE FUTURE, WHEN INSTRUCTED TO USE TO ILS HOLD SHORT LINE, ESPECIALLY DURING GOOD WX, I WILL RPT THE CLRNC TO THE CAPT AND WAIT FOR HIS RESPONSE, SIMILAR TO AN ALT CLRNC. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 497663: I WAS PAST MY ASSIGNED POINT, BUT SINCE I WAS SO FAR BACK FROM THE HOLD SHORT LINE, I WAS AND AM, MYSTIFIED AS TO WHY THE B737 ON FINAL WASN'T ALLOWED TO PROCEED TO A RWY 31 LNDG. IN MY MIND, I WAS GOING TO GO TO THE 'HOLD SHORT LINE,' BECAUSE THE WX WAS CLR. I ASSUMED THAT THE TAXI WAS CLRED ALL THE WAY TO THE RWY. ADDING TO MY MENTAL 'HEAP' WAS THAT IN MY EXPERIENCE AT BNA I HAD NEVER BEFORE BEEN INSTRUCTED TO HOLD AT THAT PARTICULAR APCH LINE SPOT. AS I APCHED THE APCH LINE, MY FO INFORMED ME THAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO STOP AT IT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.