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Attributes | |
ACN | 493727 |
Time | |
Date | 200011 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ewr.airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Turbulence |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure : other published ifr departure |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 7850 flight time type : 2 |
ASRS Report | 493727 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : airspeed indicate other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance Weather |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
This was my first flight in the new B767-200. It was also the captain's. We had both been through the computer based training for the -200 and -400 series. I had done 3 takeoffs and lndgs in the B767-400. We took off in low IFR conditions. Due to the wet runway we used full power for takeoff. Our initial altitude was 2000 ft. However, as soon as I switched to departure, we were cleared to 6000 ft. The aircraft accelerated so fast that we didn't even get the flaps up before the flap limit speed. On climb out the power never came back like it was supposed to (on autothrottle). We ended up climbing at around 300 KTS all the way to 17000 ft, a which time the autoplt started to descend back down. The captain disconnected everything and leveled off. When we turned it back on, it tried to descend again. We tried a different autoplt and it worked ok. Wrote everything up at destination. I think watching a computer based training and 3 lndgs in a different series aircraft did not prepare us for the -200 series. It accelerated much faster than we expected, and with the autoplt malfunction, low IFR, etc, we weren't able to react quickly enough.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A B767-200 EXCEEDED AIRSPD RESTR IN CLASS B AIRSPACE AND BELOW 10000 FT DUE TO 1 OF THE 2 AUTOPLTS MALFUNCTIONING.
Narrative: THIS WAS MY FIRST FLT IN THE NEW B767-200. IT WAS ALSO THE CAPT'S. WE HAD BOTH BEEN THROUGH THE COMPUTER BASED TRAINING FOR THE -200 AND -400 SERIES. I HAD DONE 3 TKOFS AND LNDGS IN THE B767-400. WE TOOK OFF IN LOW IFR CONDITIONS. DUE TO THE WET RWY WE USED FULL PWR FOR TKOF. OUR INITIAL ALT WAS 2000 FT. HOWEVER, AS SOON AS I SWITCHED TO DEP, WE WERE CLRED TO 6000 FT. THE ACFT ACCELERATED SO FAST THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN GET THE FLAPS UP BEFORE THE FLAP LIMIT SPD. ON CLBOUT THE PWR NEVER CAME BACK LIKE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO (ON AUTOTHROTTLE). WE ENDED UP CLBING AT AROUND 300 KTS ALL THE WAY TO 17000 FT, A WHICH TIME THE AUTOPLT STARTED TO DSND BACK DOWN. THE CAPT DISCONNECTED EVERYTHING AND LEVELED OFF. WHEN WE TURNED IT BACK ON, IT TRIED TO DSND AGAIN. WE TRIED A DIFFERENT AUTOPLT AND IT WORKED OK. WROTE EVERYTHING UP AT DEST. I THINK WATCHING A COMPUTER BASED TRAINING AND 3 LNDGS IN A DIFFERENT SERIES ACFT DID NOT PREPARE US FOR THE -200 SERIES. IT ACCELERATED MUCH FASTER THAN WE EXPECTED, AND WITH THE AUTOPLT MALFUNCTION, LOW IFR, ETC, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO REACT QUICKLY ENOUGH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.