DC8 crew discovered aircraft damage during postflt walkaround.

Attributes
ACN	494123
Time
Date	200012
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	0001 To 0600
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lax.airport
State Reference	CA
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : lax.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	DC-8F
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : parked
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : second officer
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 250
ASRS Report	494123
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 4000
ASRS Report	494344
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground critical ground encounters : vehicle other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Company Aircraft
Primary Problem	Company

Narrative:

After a thorough preflight, the aircraft was in the loading phase on the west imperial cargo ramp. Normal aircraft shaking and loading noises were noted until the loading completed at XA35. Noted was a cargo B747 in the loading phase parked close on the right side of our aircraft. Normal pushback and flight to dayton. On postflt, a hole was discovered near the right wingtip leading edge. Underneath the wing, by the hole was a long scrape with yellow paint, indicating it was probably struck by a cargo loader. Recommend greater awareness by ground personnel, and a safety program that provides ground handlers a way to admit to mistakes or mishaps with aircraft, thus preventing crews being unaware of damage.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: DC8 CREW DISCOVERED ACFT DAMAGE DURING POSTFLT WALKAROUND.

Narrative: AFTER A THOROUGH PREFLT, THE ACFT WAS IN THE LOADING PHASE ON THE W IMPERIAL CARGO RAMP. NORMAL ACFT SHAKING AND LOADING NOISES WERE NOTED UNTIL THE LOADING COMPLETED AT XA35. NOTED WAS A CARGO B747 IN THE LOADING PHASE PARKED CLOSE ON THE R SIDE OF OUR ACFT. NORMAL PUSHBACK AND FLT TO DAYTON. ON POSTFLT, A HOLE WAS DISCOVERED NEAR THE R WINGTIP LEADING EDGE. UNDERNEATH THE WING, BY THE HOLE WAS A LONG SCRAPE WITH YELLOW PAINT, INDICATING IT WAS PROBABLY STRUCK BY A CARGO LOADER. RECOMMEND GREATER AWARENESS BY GND PERSONNEL, AND A SAFETY PROGRAM THAT PROVIDES GND HANDLERS A WAY TO ADMIT TO MISTAKES OR MISHAPS WITH ACFT, THUS PREVENTING CREWS BEING UNAWARE OF DAMAGE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.