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Attributes | |
ACN | 495190 |
Time | |
Date | 200012 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : okc.airport |
State Reference | OK |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 31000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc.artcc |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | DC-8 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 495190 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert controller : issued new clearance controller : separated traffic flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | faa : investigated faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Prior to this incident and throughout the flight, all changes in heading and altitude were requested from ATC and clearance was obtained prior to being initiated. A request was made to ATC for permission to climb to FL350 and to reverse course. Clearance was received and acknowledged to climb to FL330 and to turn to 230 degree heading, with clearance to FL350 and the desired south heading to come later. A left turn and climb was begun. In a climbing left turn, approaching FL330, a call was received from center to level at FL310 immediately, followed shortly by a more agitated call, specifying 'traffic alert,' descend to FL310 immediately, and repeated at least once. The autoplt was disconnected and a pushover was initiated as the left turn was continued and the aircraft descended to and leveled at FL310. Almost simultaneously with the 'traffic alert' voice calls, the TCASII issued a RA, turning the instrument face red, and transmitting the words 'traffic, traffic, climb, climb' on the intercom. The conflicting aircraft was at about 2 O'clock position relative bearing. It was never visible to the PF in the left seat. A brisk pushover was already in progress, in accordance with the ATC command, but opposite to the TCASII suggestion. The PF elected to continue pushing. Its lights were seen by the PNF in the right seat, who could not discern if it was higher or lower, but he did determine that it was moving aft relative to us and would pass behind. In the ensuing conversation, it was obvious that the center controller was concerned that the conflict had exceeded safe separation standards. He asked how close to FL330 we have gotten, but we were not able to say precisely. Later, he requested that we call the center after landing. After landing, a printout of trajectory data was obtained, which showed that we had just grazed FL330 during the pushover maneuver. We did call the watch supervisor. He thanked us for responding, and said that they had determined that a safe separation violation had not occurred, and that they considered the incident closed. He mentioned that the other aircraft was a flight not equipped with TCASII. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter was new to the use of TCASII that was recently installed in his aircraft. He thought that if he flew the RA the potential conflict would have been closer but a safe resolution just the same.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A TFC ALERT IN THE CLASS A AIRSPACE GIVEN BY ARTCC AND FOLLOWED BY THE CREW. EVASIVE ACTION WAS CONTRARY TO THE TCASII RA. NO LOSS OF SEPARATION OCCURRED. THE SECOND ACFT HAD NO TCASII INSTALLATION.
Narrative: PRIOR TO THIS INCIDENT AND THROUGHOUT THE FLT, ALL CHANGES IN HDG AND ALT WERE REQUESTED FROM ATC AND CLRNC WAS OBTAINED PRIOR TO BEING INITIATED. A REQUEST WAS MADE TO ATC FOR PERMISSION TO CLB TO FL350 AND TO REVERSE COURSE. CLRNC WAS RECEIVED AND ACKNOWLEDGED TO CLB TO FL330 AND TO TURN TO 230 DEG HDG, WITH CLRNC TO FL350 AND THE DESIRED S HDG TO COME LATER. A L TURN AND CLB WAS BEGUN. IN A CLBING L TURN, APCHING FL330, A CALL WAS RECEIVED FROM CTR TO LEVEL AT FL310 IMMEDIATELY, FOLLOWED SHORTLY BY A MORE AGITATED CALL, SPECIFYING 'TFC ALERT,' DSND TO FL310 IMMEDIATELY, AND REPEATED AT LEAST ONCE. THE AUTOPLT WAS DISCONNECTED AND A PUSHOVER WAS INITIATED AS THE L TURN WAS CONTINUED AND THE ACFT DSNDED TO AND LEVELED AT FL310. ALMOST SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THE 'TFC ALERT' VOICE CALLS, THE TCASII ISSUED A RA, TURNING THE INST FACE RED, AND XMITTING THE WORDS 'TFC, TFC, CLB, CLB' ON THE INTERCOM. THE CONFLICTING ACFT WAS AT ABOUT 2 O'CLOCK POS RELATIVE BEARING. IT WAS NEVER VISIBLE TO THE PF IN THE L SEAT. A BRISK PUSHOVER WAS ALREADY IN PROGRESS, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ATC COMMAND, BUT OPPOSITE TO THE TCASII SUGGESTION. THE PF ELECTED TO CONTINUE PUSHING. ITS LIGHTS WERE SEEN BY THE PNF IN THE R SEAT, WHO COULD NOT DISCERN IF IT WAS HIGHER OR LOWER, BUT HE DID DETERMINE THAT IT WAS MOVING AFT RELATIVE TO US AND WOULD PASS BEHIND. IN THE ENSUING CONVERSATION, IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT THE CTR CTLR WAS CONCERNED THAT THE CONFLICT HAD EXCEEDED SAFE SEPARATION STANDARDS. HE ASKED HOW CLOSE TO FL330 WE HAVE GOTTEN, BUT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO SAY PRECISELY. LATER, HE REQUESTED THAT WE CALL THE CTR AFTER LNDG. AFTER LNDG, A PRINTOUT OF TRAJECTORY DATA WAS OBTAINED, WHICH SHOWED THAT WE HAD JUST GRAZED FL330 DURING THE PUSHOVER MANEUVER. WE DID CALL THE WATCH SUPVR. HE THANKED US FOR RESPONDING, AND SAID THAT THEY HAD DETERMINED THAT A SAFE SEPARATION VIOLATION HAD NOT OCCURRED, AND THAT THEY CONSIDERED THE INCIDENT CLOSED. HE MENTIONED THAT THE OTHER ACFT WAS A FLT NOT EQUIPPED WITH TCASII. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR WAS NEW TO THE USE OF TCASII THAT WAS RECENTLY INSTALLED IN HIS ACFT. HE THOUGHT THAT IF HE FLEW THE RA THE POTENTIAL CONFLICT WOULD HAVE BEEN CLOSER BUT A SAFE RESOLUTION JUST THE SAME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.