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Attributes | |
ACN | 495400 |
Time | |
Date | 200012 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cvg.airport |
State Reference | KY |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Ice Snow |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : pit.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 2100 |
ASRS Report | 495400 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : company policies other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable other |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
Reported for reserve window at XA00 in cvg. Was assigned 'ready reserve' to report at XC25. At approximately XC30 was assigned a flight to mke with a scheduled departure of XC40. Needless to say, the flight was delayed due to my late arrival at the aircraft. After boarding, we experienced a mechanical problem which required deplaning. After the problem was fixed, we began reboarding. The local time was now just after XD00. During boarding, I realized I would now exceed 16 hours on duty, thus would not have 8 hours of look-back rest. I notified crew scheduling at about XD10. I was instructed to hold for a chief pilot. After holding for an extended period, captain and I were connected. I expressed my belief that this assignment was now illegal. After a frank and spirited discussion, captain directed me to accept the assignment. I accepted under protest. When released in mke, I had been on duty (not resting) for 17 hours 18 mins. This gave me a 24 hour look-back rest of 6 hours 42 mins. At the time I was on the phone with captain, I was concerned about my ability to safety operate after over 17 hours of duty into poor WX with a planned arrival on an icy runway. Because, however, the environment at air carrier is intimidating towards pilots, I failed to raise these concerns with captain. I am concerned about air carrier's interps of FARS and about the attitude of suing pilots for raising safety concerns. This environment is unsafe.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RESERVE CAPT OF A CL65 COMPLAINT ABOUT DUTY TIME POLICY IN WHICH DUTY TIME WILL EXCEED THE PRECEDING 24 HR REST PERIOD.
Narrative: RPTED FOR RESERVE WINDOW AT XA00 IN CVG. WAS ASSIGNED 'READY RESERVE' TO RPT AT XC25. AT APPROX XC30 WAS ASSIGNED A FLT TO MKE WITH A SCHEDULED DEP OF XC40. NEEDLESS TO SAY, THE FLT WAS DELAYED DUE TO MY LATE ARR AT THE ACFT. AFTER BOARDING, WE EXPERIENCED A MECHANICAL PROB WHICH REQUIRED DEPLANING. AFTER THE PROB WAS FIXED, WE BEGAN REBOARDING. THE LCL TIME WAS NOW JUST AFTER XD00. DURING BOARDING, I REALIZED I WOULD NOW EXCEED 16 HRS ON DUTY, THUS WOULD NOT HAVE 8 HRS OF LOOK-BACK REST. I NOTIFIED CREW SCHEDULING AT ABOUT XD10. I WAS INSTRUCTED TO HOLD FOR A CHIEF PLT. AFTER HOLDING FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD, CAPT AND I WERE CONNECTED. I EXPRESSED MY BELIEF THAT THIS ASSIGNMENT WAS NOW ILLEGAL. AFTER A FRANK AND SPIRITED DISCUSSION, CAPT DIRECTED ME TO ACCEPT THE ASSIGNMENT. I ACCEPTED UNDER PROTEST. WHEN RELEASED IN MKE, I HAD BEEN ON DUTY (NOT RESTING) FOR 17 HRS 18 MINS. THIS GAVE ME A 24 HR LOOK-BACK REST OF 6 HRS 42 MINS. AT THE TIME I WAS ON THE PHONE WITH CAPT, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT MY ABILITY TO SAFETY OPERATE AFTER OVER 17 HRS OF DUTY INTO POOR WX WITH A PLANNED ARR ON AN ICY RWY. BECAUSE, HOWEVER, THE ENVIRONMENT AT ACR IS INTIMIDATING TOWARDS PLTS, I FAILED TO RAISE THESE CONCERNS WITH CAPT. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT ACR'S INTERPS OF FARS AND ABOUT THE ATTITUDE OF SUING PLTS FOR RAISING SAFETY CONCERNS. THIS ENVIRONMENT IS UNSAFE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.